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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Second Static for C4s

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Fish McCragg
Adventure Bros.
#321 - 2014-08-15 18:58:08 UTC
calaretu wrote:
Fish McCragg wrote:
calaretu wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


He have a list. He isnt sharing. And he havent even promised it will be on tq as it is on sisi now. Just a "most likely"



Ahem. . . I'm putting together a list. Anyone who can provide intel on what kinds of statics they're seeing would really help move that list forward. Right now, we've only got info on 3 constellations in one region. If I can get about 10 more data points (just need the new sisi static and either the jcode or the constellation), I'll be able to figure out the pattern. Come on, people. Cooperate a bit and we'll all benefit.


I'm really sorry to burst your hope for a easy pattern, but it looks more like he just wrote it down by hand. on random. Start rolling c4's on sisi and you will see what I mean


From what I can tell, the first static is tied to the region, and the second static is tied to the constellation. What I've been able to scan so far on SISI seems to agree with this. If you have any information conflicting with this, I'd love to hear it. I'm not giving up on finding a pattern until I have at least pulled together some solid data.
Aureline Dwyrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#322 - 2014-08-15 19:04:53 UTC
TomyLobo wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


Load Sisi, Scan, question answered

Sisi is horribly outdated though at 4 months back.



Sisi is very bad. I am short time in C4
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#323 - 2014-08-15 20:07:19 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
calaretu wrote:
Fish McCragg wrote:
calaretu wrote:
Aureline Dwyrr wrote:
Hello, my question for CCP.

Have you a wormhole list of with changes and new static ?

It is very important for us.

Thank you


He have a list. He isnt sharing. And he havent even promised it will be on tq as it is on sisi now. Just a "most likely"



Ahem. . . I'm putting together a list. Anyone who can provide intel on what kinds of statics they're seeing would really help move that list forward. Right now, we've only got info on 3 constellations in one region. If I can get about 10 more data points (just need the new sisi static and either the jcode or the constellation), I'll be able to figure out the pattern. Come on, people. Cooperate a bit and we'll all benefit.


I'm really sorry to burst your hope for a easy pattern, but it looks more like he just wrote it down by hand. on random. Start rolling c4's on sisi and you will see what I mean


From what I can tell, the first static is tied to the region, and the second static is tied to the constellation. What I've been able to scan so far on SISI seems to agree with this. If you have any information conflicting with this, I'd love to hear it. I'm not giving up on finding a pattern until I have at least pulled together some solid data.


Yes the region and constellation is true. Seen enough examples of that. But beyond that there isnt much pattern.
Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
#324 - 2014-08-15 22:02:17 UTC
Guys, focus!
What's up with the Q413?

Down the pole podcast "Annhhh"

calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#325 - 2014-08-16 05:29:36 UTC
Try jump it with a cruiser
Fish McCragg
Adventure Bros.
#326 - 2014-08-16 22:08:37 UTC
Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#327 - 2014-08-17 10:13:34 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing.


I don't get it. Why?
This is exactly what ccp is trying to avoid - the control over wh space. Maybe the next step really is loosing the system number.
Odin Skydiver
Alexylva Paradox
#328 - 2014-08-17 11:16:26 UTC
Soo eve is converting to pay to win game if you happen to like pve? Need 2 accounts watching holes now. How about if scout could see activations in system map while active scanning then I would need just one again. And all pvpers would dislike this cause they would need to learn to be faster in dscaning.
XOS Psymon
Ehefkae
#329 - 2014-08-17 11:35:58 UTC
Kynric wrote:
Arcturus Gallow wrote:

Our C4/C4/C2 will be the most well connected wormhole of all, with 2 statics in each of our statics, and that is awesome. But the income is simply not enough to sustain a decently sized pvp group comfortably, especially if the characters are pretty young, and cannot farm sites alone.


My experience has been that it works best when you plan to make your isk in your statics rather than at home. Home is rapidly made bare while new statics are eternal. As such the issue is more likely a bad choice of static rather than a bad choice of home. If you want to hunt or farm c5 space, a c5 static is more useful than a c5 home with some other static. I suppose this also is the real problem with capital escalations as they encourage too much looking inward imo rather than taking from your surroundings.
This is what we are doing, but according to the amount of Wormholes spawning here and there we will have to covert the return from our static (home).

This means instead of 1-2 scouts, it's going to be 3-4 scouts, witch is not worth it.

Psymon
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#330 - 2014-08-17 14:41:07 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing.



Sent you a mail.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#331 - 2014-08-18 00:15:58 UTC
Odin Skydiver wrote:
Soo eve is converting to pay to win game if you happen to like pve? Need 2 accounts watching holes now. How about if scout could see activations in system map while active scanning then I would need just one again. And all pvpers would dislike this cause they would need to learn to be faster in dscaning.


There have been three times in the past 5 years people have jumped in to a wormhole while I was doing sleeper sites. I mean, honestly doing sleeper sites and not actually trying to bait while pretending to do sleeper sites. Three times where there was a brown pants event, and one of those times resulted in me losing a Drake, and 5 of my buds also losing their Drakes and pods For the return price of blapping two Arazus, a fair trade.

The other two times both resulted in me blazing down the foe and Zoidberging out of there. The last one I was in a C3 WR in a shield-tanked Nightmare and we clobbered a Legion, Eos and Keres, and drove off their mates in a VNI and Ishtar. having an alt on the hole didn't prevent the gank, it gave me 5 seconds to shart my lacy panties and reload to Scorch.

I don't think that this is pay-to-win. it's win by method and experience, and having a wee bit of luck.

Your whole Q.Q is based on some idea that you, personally, need 3 accounts to safely churn C4 sites. maybe you do, if you are neckbearding solo Marauders and haven't read the OTHER dev blog.

Secondly, the whole spiel of wormholes is that it is a team-based activity. PVE requires teamwork. So make a ffriend, instead of Q.Qing on the forums about how the game is apparently now "pay to win"because it gets restructured to make it difficult (not impossible) and risky (if you suck at EVE) to solo C4s.

Cry me a river. People like you are what this patch is about.

Just to put this sort of pants-wetting idiocy to bed, I shall use bold font.

If you do not jump through your statics, the other side doesn't spawn. So just roll your damn statics you numpty and don't jump through. Now you don't even NEED one alt to watch the static. You need zero!


Yeah, the inbound won't spawn till the involuntary sexual attack squad is properly formed up and ready to jump through. So that's more risky for you neckbearding carebears. But the inbound sigs never reliably spawned instantly anyway, so you aren't at any greater risk, really.

So. To the guy who got offended I called you all neckbeards, there you go. Yet another crybaby whiner identified on the forums complaining his bear den will have ants in it. You are all the same. Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#332 - 2014-08-18 08:08:39 UTC
Fish McCragg wrote:
Still looking for as much help as I can get putting together the c4 second statics list. Anyone who can provide me with info on even one system in SISI will get access to my list as I put it together. I'm hoping to find a pattern to fill in the blanks with, but worst case scenario, we just build the full list manually over time. Definitely better than just not knowing.


Why not. Mail sent.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#333 - 2014-08-18 11:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: umnikar
Trinkets friend wrote:

Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.


Big smile
How do real men fund their pvp stuff?

I'm also wondering why real men didn't go into c4 before - if they wanted to...
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#334 - 2014-08-18 11:56:37 UTC
umnikar wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:

Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.


Big smile
How do real men fund their pvp stuff?

I'm also wondering why real men didn't go into c4 before - if they wanted to...



By farming your hulls
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#335 - 2014-08-18 12:15:52 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
umnikar wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:

Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.


Big smile
How do real men fund their pvp stuff?

I'm also wondering why real men didn't go into c4 before - if they wanted to...



By farming your hulls


Roll
Odin Skydiver
Alexylva Paradox
#336 - 2014-08-18 14:07:36 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Odin Skydiver wrote:
Soo eve is converting to pay to win game if you happen to like pve? Need 2 accounts watching holes now. How about if scout could see activations in system map while active scanning then I would need just one again. And all pvpers would dislike this cause they would need to learn to be faster in dscaning.


There have been three times in the past 5 years people have jumped in to a wormhole while I was doing sleeper sites. I mean, honestly doing sleeper sites and not actually trying to bait while pretending to do sleeper sites. Three times where there was a brown pants event, and one of those times resulted in me losing a Drake, and 5 of my buds also losing their Drakes and pods For the return price of blapping two Arazus, a fair trade.

The other two times both resulted in me blazing down the foe and Zoidberging out of there. The last one I was in a C3 WR in a shield-tanked Nightmare and we clobbered a Legion, Eos and Keres, and drove off their mates in a VNI and Ishtar. having an alt on the hole didn't prevent the gank, it gave me 5 seconds to shart my lacy panties and reload to Scorch.

I don't think that this is pay-to-win. it's win by method and experience, and having a wee bit of luck.

Your whole Q.Q is based on some idea that you, personally, need 3 accounts to safely churn C4 sites. maybe you do, if you are neckbearding solo Marauders and haven't read the OTHER dev blog.

Secondly, the whole spiel of wormholes is that it is a team-based activity. PVE requires teamwork. So make a ffriend, instead of Q.Qing on the forums about how the game is apparently now "pay to win"because it gets restructured to make it difficult (not impossible) and risky (if you suck at EVE) to solo C4s.

Cry me a river. People like you are what this patch is about.

Just to put this sort of pants-wetting idiocy to bed, I shall use bold font.

If you do not jump through your statics, the other side doesn't spawn. So just roll your damn statics you numpty and don't jump through. Now you don't even NEED one alt to watch the static. You need zero!


Yeah, the inbound won't spawn till the involuntary sexual attack squad is properly formed up and ready to jump through. So that's more risky for you neckbearding carebears. But the inbound sigs never reliably spawned instantly anyway, so you aren't at any greater risk, really.

So. To the guy who got offended I called you all neckbeards, there you go. Yet another crybaby whiner identified on the forums complaining his bear den will have ants in it. You are all the same. Get out of the way, the real men want to move in to C4s to make happy times with the boat violencing.


Thanks for the reply btw your funny. I just had bad day and I need to go find that other dev blog.
Pashko Morgan
0ffline Corporation
#337 - 2014-08-19 09:41:18 UTC
"There have been three times in the past 5 years people have jumped in to a wormhole while I was doing sleeper sites"
My numbers are about 5 attempts to catch a care bearing pilot, 10 attempts to catch an orca/pi indie/static rolling bs per month. Being dropped about 3 times per month. And that's a silent c4 with c3 static.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#338 - 2014-08-19 10:00:58 UTC
I hope the current activity in the c4 chains is only about corporations checking out new home systems...
For me it was 10 k-162 yesterday and lotsa small gangs roaming. Other "bears" are reporting the same... Oops
If we add a 2nd static into that behavior it will be nothing but scanning ;D
The wh kb is also showing a big spike in kills all over the place. Why didnt you guys roam your chains before?
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
#339 - 2014-08-20 16:59:49 UTC
So there are far more posts than I can go through so I apologize if this has already been answered.

Aside from the other unique things about C4's having only one static and no random spawns, their connections were only 16 hours vs 24.

With all of these changes, are they also getting changed to 24 hour WH's or are they staying at 16 hours?
Aichem
Perkone
Caldari State
#340 - 2014-08-20 22:04:31 UTC
This change will be Negative for me.

I live in a C4 > C3 and specifically chose this system for isolation.

What's wrong with some variety? Having a more isolated WH type means people with different play-styles will have more opportunities. By removing the isolation, you remove a culture from the game. I think it's FUN to find a long route out and to face the logistical and danger challenges of bringing in supplies.

The goal should be to increase fun gameplay, not remove choices and variety.


Aichem