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Cloaking module changes?

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Najenna
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Brothers of Tangra
#61 - 2014-08-10 08:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Najenna
Prince Kobol wrote:
Najenna wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I think threads like this prove that we actually need more varied ways to wage warfare on the febel minded risk averse


I suggest a deployable that mimics your own name in local until the next downtime.



Honestly I was also thinking something along those lines. A deployable module or a P.O.S. module or Sov. module that prevents cloakers kinda the same as a cyno jammer.


Whilst were at it why not have a something that prevents any weapons from firing or from any prop module from working.


They do... It is called a target scrambler. It prevents you from targeting other ships. Also there is this thing called a warp jammer and stasis web. Nice fail try again please.
Najenna
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Brothers of Tangra
#62 - 2014-08-10 08:37:17 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Najenna wrote:

First off stop while your ahead. Secondly I am not whining. Thirdly I have done nothing but give constructive imput. I don't whine **** or moan. So get your facts right.

proposing changes to game mechanics (in this context) is about the biggest form of whine i could imagine.



Man please go back to school. I am in no way complaining crying or whinning as you put it. I am giving constructive imput.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#63 - 2014-08-10 08:42:08 UTC
Najenna wrote:
imput.

Kawaiiii :3
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#64 - 2014-08-10 08:51:54 UTC
Najenna wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Najenna wrote:

First off stop while your ahead. Secondly I am not whining. Thirdly I have done nothing but give constructive imput. I don't whine **** or moan. So get your facts right.

proposing changes to game mechanics (in this context) is about the biggest form of whine i could imagine.



Man please go back to school. I am in no way complaining crying or whinning as you put it. I am giving constructive imput.


Don't tell people to go back to school if you can't get basic 5th grade literacy right. 'Your' implies ownerships; 'you're' is a compound word for 'you are'. 'You're' an idiot if you can't get them right.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Najenna
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Brothers of Tangra
#65 - 2014-08-10 08:54:26 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Najenna wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Najenna wrote:

First off stop while your ahead. Secondly I am not whining. Thirdly I have done nothing but give constructive imput. I don't whine **** or moan. So get your facts right.

proposing changes to game mechanics (in this context) is about the biggest form of whine i could imagine.



Man please go back to school. I am in no way complaining crying or whinning as you put it. I am giving constructive imput.


Don't tell people to go back to school if you can't get basic 5th grade literacy right. 'Your' implies ownerships; 'you're' is a compound word for 'you are'. 'You're' an idiot if you can't get them right.


Didn't know that Eve required you to have a degree or diploma. Cause if that is the case why are you here again?
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#66 - 2014-08-10 08:55:13 UTC
Najenna wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Najenna wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Najenna wrote:

First off stop while your ahead. Secondly I am not whining. Thirdly I have done nothing but give constructive imput. I don't whine **** or moan. So get your facts right.

proposing changes to game mechanics (in this context) is about the biggest form of whine i could imagine.



Man please go back to school. I am in no way complaining crying or whinning as you put it. I am giving constructive imput.


Don't tell people to go back to school if you can't get basic 5th grade literacy right. 'Your' implies ownerships; 'you're' is a compound word for 'you are'. 'You're' an idiot if you can't get them right.


Didn't know that Eve required you to have a degree or diploma. Cause if that is the case why are you here again?


Pay attention - 5th grade literacy doesn't require a degree or diploma, and YOU were the one vexatiously telling people to go back to school, hypocrite.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#67 - 2014-08-10 08:56:01 UTC
Remiel is one of the smart guys, be wary if you choose to challenge him.
Najenna
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Brothers of Tangra
#68 - 2014-08-10 08:58:07 UTC
I came, I saw, I gave my 2 isk. I am out of this thread. ArrowArrowArrow
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#69 - 2014-08-10 09:03:38 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Sometimes I hit like on the awful posts because it encourages more forum content.
Explains a lot. Sad

Who put the goat in there?

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#70 - 2014-08-10 09:10:18 UTC
Slipping in before the lock.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#71 - 2014-08-10 11:39:34 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Slipping in before the lock.
Also slipping in (fnarr fnarr) before the inevitable lock of AFK cloaking whine thread #2147483647.

Najenna wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Don't tell people to go back to school if you can't get basic 5th grade literacy right. 'Your' implies ownerships; 'you're' is a compound word for 'you are'. 'You're' an idiot if you can't get them right.


Didn't know that Eve required you to have a degree or diploma. Cause if that is the case why are you here again?
Grammar



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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#72 - 2014-08-10 12:08:53 UTC
Red-Black-Frog wrote:
making it impossible to play another.

You mean you are too scared to carebear when someone is watching. Try having sex in public, it helps to prepare you for this particular predicament. I recommend a club with a bubblebath to cuddle in for your first time.
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#73 - 2014-08-10 12:44:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Paikis wrote:
This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:

1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following:
- "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"

2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.

3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.

4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)

5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.

6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.

7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!

8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.

We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.

Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?

link to the original


/thread

If an AFK cloaker is preventing you from playing Eve, maybe you are playing the wrong game.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-08-10 12:50:57 UTC
Najenna wrote:
I came, I saw, I gave my 2 isk. I am out of this thread. ArrowArrowArrow

Since this will be locked anyway, I feel no need to give constructive feedback.

I just wanted to stop by to say that it was amusing how hard Remiel just bitchslapped you.
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-08-10 12:58:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Could changes be made in the forum terms of use?
Namely, after posting yet another pointless, redundant, and uninformed AFK cloaker QQ thread, the user gets increasingly longer posting bans? Something like 1 day/1 week/1 month/perma should do it.


I would agree as long as we skill the 1 day and 1 week levels.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-08-10 13:21:32 UTC
Easy solution. Log on an alt of your own in a fast frigate. Double-click in a random direction, turn on mwd, go afk.

I don't remember the exact figure, but you have a very high chance of decloaking him within a few hours.

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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#77 - 2014-08-10 13:23:57 UTC
Najenna wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Don't tell people to go back to school if you can't get basic 5th grade literacy right. 'Your' implies ownerships; 'you're' is a compound word for 'you are'. 'You're' an idiot if you can't get them right.


Didn't know that Eve required you to have a degree or diploma. Cause if that is the case why are you here again?


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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#78 - 2014-08-10 14:14:45 UTC
Najenna wrote:

I know Eve is not real but warfare is warfare no matter if its real life or in game. 1 ship AKA the cloaker should not have to the ability as a single ship to shut down a system.

The single ship plays the role of the assassin (or crazy with a rifle).
It's overpowered that you have to have police escorts, streets closed and buildings cleared, have a close protection detail and nothing might happen...

That is if really want a real world analogy.

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#79 - 2014-08-10 14:30:25 UTC
Red-Black-Frog wrote:
hi

Could changes in the changes of cloaking module ?
Namely, after 1h of turned on (or around that time) was the possibility of such a ship scan combat probs.

Why?
We now have the ridiculous situation where someone logs in the system immediately after DT, and that character is in it for the next DT, which is absurd. Improved situation in null sec, where AFK lamp, can be in the system for several months, making it impossible to play another.
You can do something about it?

Ps. sorry for my english
o7


It's also absurd that you can see everyone in a system, but that's beside the point.

My reaction to your post: Not again uuuuugggggghhh
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2014-08-10 14:47:33 UTC
Najenna wrote:
I know Eve is not real but warfare is warfare no matter if its real life or in game. 1 ship AKA the cloaker should not have to the ability as a single ship to shut down a system.
Good news: there is not aisngle ship in the game that can do that.