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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#181 - 2014-07-29 21:46:28 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:

So what you're saying is you shouldn't be bothered to check gates and belts for Concord ships before you jump willy nilly into any system you want to get that miner that you feel you should be able to gank whenever you want?


No, what am I saying is that you lot need to stop asking for the NPCs to do your job for you.


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It's not the fact that it's hard or complex or there are lots of griefers, it the fact that so many players are completely shut off from valid suggestions to improve the game.


This is not a valid suggestion, and it would not improve the game.

All it would do is make it easier to be lazy and not bother defending yourself.


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Everyone is so stubborn simply because what they believe is different from what is suggested, and nothing more. If the playerbase continues to be so harshly opposed to new ideas that could potentially bring in more subs, EVE WILL die.


We're resistant to bad ideas. Especially selfishly motivated ones. Even moreso when they can't stand on their own merits and try to drape themselves in the flag of new players.

If you're going to try to peddle that horseshit, this is the wrong board to do it on. If Riptard hadn't shut down his blog, I'd suggest that instead.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#182 - 2014-07-29 21:48:17 UTC
We really need to come up with a better name for systems 0.5 - 1.0, cuz "high security space" really gives people the wrong impression.

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NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#183 - 2014-07-29 21:50:04 UTC
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#184 - 2014-07-29 21:53:01 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?


To be perfectly honest, I would rather let the servers go cold right now than see the game turn into Trammel.

I am, when you get right down to it, a refugee of Ultima Online after all.

So, by all means continue to bluster about how the game will die if your own personal niche isn't catered to. The rest of us know it for what it is, entitlement.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#185 - 2014-07-29 21:55:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?


To be perfectly honest, I would rather let the servers go cold right now than see the game turn into Trammel.

I am, when you get right down to it, a refugee of Ultima Online after all.

So, by all means continue to bluster about how the game will die if your own personal niche isn't catered to. The rest of us know it for what it is, entitlement.

You have no right to play a single game on PC if you would rather see a game shut down than draw more players. At the very least, I hope you can see the hypocrisy in your post. Enjoy killing EVE.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#186 - 2014-07-29 21:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?
You mean the "precious griefer haven" that's outlasted most MMO's, and has been quite healthily growing for the last 11 years?

If CCP were worried about what you perceive to be a loss of income they wouldn't be investing in the development of 2 other games that tie into Eve off the back of it.

Practice your doom-mongering elsewhere.

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#187 - 2014-07-29 22:00:36 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?


What is a "griefer haven?" If you mean High Sec, that will never happen because Low, Null and W-space are on the same servers.

It sounds like you're projecting. Ask yourself: Would I rather see Eve go away if gankers aren't stopped? If the answer is yes, you're delaying your eventual split from New Eden. Do everyone a favor and just stop playing Eve. If the answer is no, come up with a way to organize your fellows and step up to "fix" what is "broken" .... omg you might have to create content.

I'm not a CODE. guy ... and I don't imagine I'd like being ganked either but I do support their shenanigans because guess what? They make me look over my shoulder because loss matters. If it didn't, you wouldn't be going of the rails about gankers, CONCORD and a dying Eve. Be the villain, be the white knight.. just be something.

Carebears are passive; that's the real problem. They allow things to happen to them instead of imparting their will upon others.

The potential for change that you could bring to the game could be larger than CODE. if you do it right. Think about that. You could be the "actual savior of high sec" ... because according to you James315 and his merry band are toxic to the Eve community. They disagree with you just as you disagree with them ... you have a freaking spaceship!! Put it to use.

How you can miss this opportunity to make a change is beyond me.

Thank me later :D
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#188 - 2014-07-29 22:03:30 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:

You have no right to play a single game on PC if you would rather see a game shut down than draw more players. At the very least, I hope you can see the hypocrisy in your post. Enjoy killing EVE.


You fail to understand.

What you want is to kill the game for me, and people like me. You want this in your quest to get more theoretical casual players. You would happily sacrifice me, and my sub, and the subs of all the people like me in this quest.

To me, there is no greater enemy in the context of this game than you and your kind. Because you literally want me to stop playing the game. So yes, I would, have, and will quite happily drive you away to prevent your bad ideas from taking hold and ruining the game.

I would rather see EVE die by being EVE(which, by the way, won't actually happen, it's just a scare tactic you lot use to try and divert attention away from how bad your ideas are), than become something that is not EVE anymore. The fate of Ultima Online has taught me this.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#189 - 2014-07-29 22:10:02 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?


What is a "griefer haven?" If you mean High Sec, that will never happen because Low, Null and W-space are on the same servers.

It sounds like you're projecting. Ask yourself: Would I rather see Eve go away if gankers aren't stopped? If the answer is yes, you're delaying your eventual split from New Eden. Do everyone a favor and just stop playing Eve. If the answer is no, come up with a way to organize your fellows and step up to "fix" what is "broken" .... omg you might have to create content.

I'm not a CODE. guy ... and I don't imagine I'd like being ganked either but I do support their shenanigans because guess what? They make me look over my shoulder because loss matters. If it didn't, you wouldn't be going of the rails about gankers, CONCORD and a dying Eve. Be the villain, be the white knight.. just be something.

Carebears are passive; that's the real problem. They allow things to happen to them instead of imparting their will upon others.

The potential for change that you could bring to the game could be larger than CODE. if you do it right. Think about that. You could be the "actual savior of high sec" ... because according to you James315 and his merry band are toxic to the Eve community. They disagree with you just as you disagree with them ... you have a freaking spaceship!! Put it to use.

How you can miss this opportunity to make a change is beyond me.

I've not once mentioned CODE this entire thread, so I'll ignore all that.

I'm not trying to stop gankers, so I'll ignore that part too.

I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.

Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible. Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown. This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#190 - 2014-07-29 22:15:55 UTC
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#191 - 2014-07-29 22:16:26 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:

I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.


You're wrong.

The entitled and whiny people are the ones who don't want to play the game with the rules that exist right now, they want things changed in their favor.

That would be you.


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Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible.


No, it's not. And no matter how many times you repeat that, it will still be a lie.

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They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.


You're failing to be objective about your own suggestion because it's yours. You lack the ability to see the failings in an idea if the idea comes from you.

That is a pretty huge logical fallacy by the way. You're just trying to shout down dissent against your bad idea, which is far more of a bullying tactic than anything employed here by any of us.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#192 - 2014-07-29 22:18:13 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?


What is a "griefer haven?" If you mean High Sec, that will never happen because Low, Null and W-space are on the same servers.

It sounds like you're projecting. Ask yourself: Would I rather see Eve go away if gankers aren't stopped? If the answer is yes, you're delaying your eventual split from New Eden. Do everyone a favor and just stop playing Eve. If the answer is no, come up with a way to organize your fellows and step up to "fix" what is "broken" .... omg you might have to create content.

I'm not a CODE. guy ... and I don't imagine I'd like being ganked either but I do support their shenanigans because guess what? They make me look over my shoulder because loss matters. If it didn't, you wouldn't be going of the rails about gankers, CONCORD and a dying Eve. Be the villain, be the white knight.. just be something.

Carebears are passive; that's the real problem. They allow things to happen to them instead of imparting their will upon others.

The potential for change that you could bring to the game could be larger than CODE. if you do it right. Think about that. You could be the "actual savior of high sec" ... because according to you James315 and his merry band are toxic to the Eve community. They disagree with you just as you disagree with them ... you have a freaking spaceship!! Put it to use.

How you can miss this opportunity to make a change is beyond me.

I've not once mentioned CODE this entire thread, so I'll ignore all that.

I'm not trying to stop gankers, so I'll ignore that part too.

I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.

Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible. Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown. This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.


I think you know what you have to do. Organize the resistance.

Thank me later :D
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#193 - 2014-07-29 22:18:39 UTC
Just look at what Kaarous Aldurald has said. When did I ever say he should stop playing the game? When did I ever say that gankers should disappear?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#194 - 2014-07-29 22:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.
Nope their arguments are skewed towards keeping Eve from becoming just another MMO/ WoW in space. Most MMO's die because they try to be WoW, CCP hasn't made that mistake, and hopefully they never will.

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Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible.Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown.
How is it completely feasible? The Faction Navy* would be a much better choice for shooting extremely low sec status characters, in fact that's what they already do, they can be fought, you can have a long running gunfight and chase with them, which as it should be. Concord, on the other hand, are omnipotent, they can't be fought, they can't be outrun, in short it would be completely overpowered if Concord were to do what the Faction Navies already do.

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This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.
The same can be said for carebears Shocked, if anything they're worse because they want CCP to do stuff for them because they can't be arsed to do it for themselves.

*In certain systems, Concord are the Faction Navy, they're OP as hell

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#195 - 2014-07-29 22:29:03 UTC
... does fighting Faction Navy ships ever work out for the criminal??

Thank me later :D
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#196 - 2014-07-29 22:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
... does fighting Faction Navy ships ever work out for the criminal??
Ask Ralph, he's in your corp. IIRC he said a while back that they can actually be farmed.

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CCP has said multiple times that they're okay with Eve filtering out their unintended audience.

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NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#197 - 2014-07-29 22:35:05 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.
Nope their arguments are skewed towards keeping Eve from becoming just another MMO/ WoW in space. Most MMO's die because they try to be WoW, CCP hasn't made that mistake, and hopefully they never will.

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Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible.Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown.
How is it completely feasible? The Faction Navy* would be a much better choice for shooting extremely low sec status characters, in fact that's what they already do, they can be fought, you can have a long running gunfight and chase with them, which as it should be. Concord, on the other hand, are omnipotent, they can't be fought, they can't be outrun, in short it would be completely overpowered if Concord were to do what the Faction Navies already do.

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This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.
The same can be said for carebears Shocked, if anything they're worse because they want CCP to do stuff for them because they can't be arsed to do it for themselves.

*In certain systems, Concord are the Faction Navy, they're OP as hell

The Faction Police are terrible at what they're supposed to do. Think of it this way. If a known mass murderer (a -5.0 outlaw) walks into a room full of local police (faction navy) and fbi that were already on location from a previous incident (concord) and shouts "here I am and this is what I did!", do you really think the fbi is just gonna sit there?
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#198 - 2014-07-29 22:35:23 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?


You sound like the typical gank victim right about now. THese are NOT valid plans to improve the game what-so-ever all your pushing is the dsame "Make high sec 110% Safe" so we can be away from the keyboard playing a game.

Whats the Point of PLAYING and Understanding there is RISK to PLAYING when your not actually at your keyboard to PLAY? And there is no RISK because of CONCORD holding your hand 24/7. How does that improve the game in any way?

Im not saying we need to kill all the miners or stupid people, Im saying take the safety labels off and let the problem sort itself out.

Eve is at its roots a Dog-Eat-Dog game, the smarter, stronger, craftier, and well prepared you are the better you do. Nobody will get any of that if theres a security force letting them play AFK all day.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#199 - 2014-07-29 22:35:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
... does fighting Faction Navy ships ever work out for the criminal??
Ask Ralph, he's in your corp, IIRC he said a while back that they can actually be farmed.

yeah, you can tank facpo in a sufficiently tanky bs, iv sat in a paladin farming gall fednavy megathrons for like half an hour before.
***** with your standing but you can do itPirate

also expect to be screwed with in every which way possible, ewar, webs , scrams stern nonviolant talking to's the whole lot

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#200 - 2014-07-29 22:37:19 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.
Nope their arguments are skewed towards keeping Eve from becoming just another MMO/ WoW in space. Most MMO's die because they try to be WoW, CCP hasn't made that mistake, and hopefully they never will.

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Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible.Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown.
How is it completely feasible? The Faction Navy* would be a much better choice for shooting extremely low sec status characters, in fact that's what they already do, they can be fought, you can have a long running gunfight and chase with them, which as it should be. Concord, on the other hand, are omnipotent, they can't be fought, they can't be outrun, in short it would be completely overpowered if Concord were to do what the Faction Navies already do.

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This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.
The same can be said for carebears Shocked, if anything they're worse because they want CCP to do stuff for them because they can't be arsed to do it for themselves.

*In certain systems, Concord are the Faction Navy, they're OP as hell

The Faction Police are terrible at what they're supposed to do. Think of it this way. If a known mass murderer (a -5.0 outlaw) walks into a room full of local police (faction navy) and fbi that were already on location from a previous incident (concord) and shouts "here I am and this is what I did!", do you really think the fbi is just gonna sit there?


You forgot the part where your -5 MASS Murderer already died and came back to life, effectively not guilty anymore as he paid with his life for his crimes

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