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Titan - What's the point?
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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#21 - 2014-07-28 11:06:13 UTC
You ever seen an Avatar? Oh boy ...! :O

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-07-28 11:16:38 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
You ever seen an Avatar? Oh boy ...! :O

It looks like a mushroom. Shut up otherwise.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2014-07-28 13:53:11 UTC
This is the points of titans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVmS5uBgaEU

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Hicksimus
Torgue
#24 - 2014-07-28 13:55:00 UTC
I don't think I can answer the question in the title without the overwhelming nullsec representation of the forums trolling this thread into the ground.

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Venjenz Sake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-07-28 14:11:13 UTC
Poen wrote:
I guess the Titan is not really a possibility for me after all. After all of the isk I spent on the skillbooks and the time it took to train these skills, it's just not possible. Why is the game designed this way?

The point of all supercapitals (imho) is a standard MMO team goal. None of them make sense outside supercap fleets, and all of them are and should be the juiciest, most savory targets in the galaxy just because. It's a big corp item for stuff big corps do in big corp space. I always figured supercapital skills were something you put on corp alts or toons you were going to sell to corps.

And the game was designed to give tangible, cool stuff to do for sandbox MMO players, even those folks who want to make a team of 1,000 players and own giant regions of space and patrol/defend/attack those regions with giant, epeen ships/fleets. Nothing wrong with supercapitals, nor the design decision to have them in game. Giant Megacorp_01 needs stuff to do too.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-07-28 14:18:51 UTC
To know a titan, is to know true fappage... and conga lines.

Other than that... pretty much a big shiny epeen that no longer impresses the unwashed masses.

P

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-07-28 17:07:43 UTC
Well in the three years you where playing prior to starting to train for a titan you could have at least done some research on what/when and how they are used before you actually started training it?

You say you are now done after about a year , well in the last year there hasn't been much change , if any , for titans so the moment you bought that skillbook you could have known if you would even find it fun to fly a titan.




Let's give an example of my own experience.Years ago i started trading so i could afford myself a mothership aas the idea i had was that it would be awsome , once i had the isk i did some more trading to be able to buy 2 if the first would die.While i was trading for my 2nd motherhsip i did some more research into their use and found it would not suit what i find to be fun in this game.So , i didn't train for the mothership and just kept my trade going for other ships.

I now have a character wich can fly a mothership perfectly and within a few weeks of training a titan , i also have the isk to buy a lot of titans and yet ... yet i can not ever see myself buying one.
I would rather spend all the isk a titan costs on T1 frigs and enjoy myself in FW space then to buy a titan only to ''a few times a year'' log on the character to come on another titankill wich i probably would have been on anyway if i flew a rifter.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#28 - 2014-07-28 17:13:44 UTC
Build it and they will come.

Oh god.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-07-28 17:49:03 UTC
Poen wrote:
...want titan...



make 70-100bil.

buy titan on forums - use only chribba as third party. even then beware of scams.

do the transaction, jump titan into unknown location with freshly made cyno alt noone knows about. immidiatelly stash it in an alt pos or cloak it.

and you have a titan.

whether you can use it or not, its a good question. without serious sub-cap support, you will most likely die. you need buds to keep enemy bubbler and dictor off you for 10min...

its mostly an alliance-level ship with specific purpose, its not really a fun ship to fly.

go for a super-carrier, those you can use on your own to hot-drop freighters or ratting carriers.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-07-28 18:09:34 UTC
A Titan is a character coffin. I'd never skill my "main" into one. If I felt the need for a Titan, I'd buy a pilot off the character bizzare or if you're really patient, skill one up on a second account (I'm not that patient, but will also probably never have a Titan).

A Titan isn't the sort of thing you would have outside one of the big alliances. I don't think you can even build one unless you are in an alliance that holds sov. So at the least you'd have to be in a renter alliance (but not CFC's since they don't allow renters to build them). But to actuallly make any use of it, you'd need to be in the actual alliance. I wouldn't mention that you have a Titan you'd like to bring to their alliance on the application, just sayin'.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2014-07-28 18:12:16 UTC
Poen wrote:
With all the great updates and content it's hard to really pay attention to a pie in the sky ship like the titan. However, ever since I began playing eve online years ago, it was always my intention to sit in a titan by any means. I'm the kind of gamer that has no problem spending months working up the resources and components and implants, just to lose them all in one great fight or something. And as I skilled to mission and mine for everything I needed, I also raised skills from the titan mastery pages and prerequisites to the point where I'm only 79 d away, less with my last neural remap for spaceship command.

Let me first say that tactical Titan use that I've seen on youtube is pretty impressive, and I understand why if you value your investment you'd be very careful with a Titan.The point is I spent at least a year and some working to that goal and I'm now saving up for a BPC to build. When I brought this to the "Help" chat I got some pretty upturned noses. I don't get it, these are the biggest, baddest ships out there, the showcase of CCP right there. Consider the kind of attention it brings, the new players it must intrigue. They told me it would never happen, because noone would let you actually get the titan built. That people would raid it and sack the goods and sell them off. They also told me that the Titan is apparently worthless in combat. I'm also told that titan pilots are "forced" to logout to make alternate characters and only log on when they are summoned. And then finally I was told the Titan isn't even a fun adversary to fight.

I guess the Titan is not really a possibility for me after all. After all of the isk I spent on the skillbooks and the time it took to train these skills, it's just not possible. Why is the game designed this way? Titans are like the size of mobile cities, they look spectacular compared to some of the smaller ships, and in a space game there is a great need for a looming giant that is both difficult and fun to fight. And it's something that drew me to EVE right away. I had a misconception about Titans, that perhaps after all these years they would have been improved or reworked to either provide a benefit to players or provide a fun fight for all these 300 man Hawk fleets! And just to see the brilliant explosion of the huge ship, it would be worth it. It is a game after all. Imagine if everyone just shot down anyone that chose to play minmatar, I feel it's an apt comparison.

Anyways I say this with peace and love, I really enjoy the community and the game, I just don't get why if I want to make a big ship and lose it entertaining some corporation or something, and get podded, and it doesn't bother me, that I'd be allowed that opportunity. It was truly my goal to sit in the Titan and see for myself what it was like. I'm still going to finish the skillplan for it, in hopes that someday Titans don't have to be forced to play a certain way.




I'll never forget some fellow I met in a temp job in Florida once, a land where IT jobs are as rare as locally born natives. He was living in a trailer and talking about his lofty dreams for when he would land that high-paying IT job (the sort that someone just out of college living in a trailer does.not.get in Florida where you have to be God with a BS and at least 7 years experience get "the high paying IT job").

I didn't say a word. I didn't have the heart to tell him.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Poen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-07-28 18:41:25 UTC
I get that a lot of you would care about keeping it alive, but I just wouldn't. I don't care when all my other ships have died xD Anyways you guys have some interesting points. But it all just seems to add up to that with every other ship in the game you can log in and start some action with your corp or just do something fun and with a Titan you just can't. I also figured that some corps would let someone grow a titan under protection to get the killmail.

All things that seem to be overwhelmed by the prospect of instant gratification. I understand though a lot more some of the things keeping me from actually building one now. This item of both wonder and burden is definitely something no other game has. I really feel like I didn't really waste my time skilling some of the stuff I did for Erebus. Many of the skills I learned will help me with other ships. But just imagine if it was this way for like, the Scythe, the mighty Megathron or perhaps the Hawk were that way. Where just building them puts you under fire and no matter how much you wanted to just at least sit in one and provide a fun battle for others. Except, as you've stated it isn't a fun battle. So actually I really no longer see the point.

But it sure does look cool doesn't it. And the trailer makes it look exciting to play. Thanks for your replies.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-07-28 19:03:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, one of them is shaped like a huge *****, if that is worth anything.


Not judging you for looking but you've been looking at some oddly shaped *****.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-28 19:36:58 UTC
Big ships are cooler than small ships.

Titans are the biggest ships.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2014-07-28 20:29:16 UTC
I, too, want a titan. I'm closing in on it.

And then my character will take a long nap, like a vampire, in their coffin.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-28 20:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexa Coates
titan's are eve's endgame, all there is to it. It's a nearly unkillable, kill-everything-in-sight ship that takes over a year to pilot, and another year to pilot properly.

I'll stick with my archon though. it's only slightly slower than molasses and has a dank tank so im pretty happy.

I just wish carriers could go in highsec because people in low are mean :(

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-07-28 21:00:18 UTC
Test Server.

You completely missed the entire point of Titan on the live server.

It isn't about an SP tree, it's about a social network in an MMO and your ability to forge one that is willing to aid you in the quest to build Super Capitals. At no point should anyone ever be able to 'go it alone' in the super capital venture and before anyone mentions Chribba, the man spent years forging the very social networks I mentioned.

For the rest of us, Test Server.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#38 - 2014-07-28 22:36:48 UTC
Because you are no longer AFKing, you are piloting a titan. Which from what I understand is like prison, without the buttseks. Or same say with depending on who you talk to.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-07-29 02:24:04 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
titan's are eve's endgame, all there is to it. It's a nearly unkillable, kill-everything-in-sight ship that takes over a year to pilot, and another year to pilot properly.

(


That of course will change once enough new players whine about how unfair it is vet players can fly Titans and they cannot.
Ton'Ka Katsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-07-29 04:56:12 UTC
here is kinda the deal with titans and really supers.

when i started eve around late 2006. eve at that time had maybe like 5 titans or so. titans were a myth something you heard of but rarely if ever saw.

ccp in theory did expect many titans to be ingame. isk had a different value you then. a battle ship while around 100m isk or so is cheap now. it actually was harder to obtain then. let alone the billions for a titan.

ccp has changed the influx of isk so much, that it made titans and supers almost readily available.

ccp has made it clear they didnt expect it to go this far with titans and supers. however it is now a part of eve.


titans and supers are end game for a character. they cant dock. you can only log off inside them to keep them safe. staying logged in only brings attention.

you can only build them in a pos set up for that kind of build. building one outside of any sizable alliance to protect it, will only bring unwanted attention.

so the real thing here is do you want that kind of play style? log in once or twice a week for 30 mins or less. is that worth your sub fee? these are the things all prospective titan pilots must ask them selves.

hope this helps.
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