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Crius FW plex changes
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Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#41 - 2014-07-27 04:01:23 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Occupancy by ninja dread blap? Not sure thats at all where FW should be heading.

With how things are going, Gall/Min will be renting lowsec systems for Caldari and amarr to plex in with no disturbances.


FYI if you are looking for a nice quiet place to plex without being disturbed we are currently accepting offers.

JUSTK is recruiting
Drigo Segvian
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#42 - 2014-07-27 04:24:14 UTC
These are good changes. Too many times I had to bailout of a medium because the rat spawned. I also went in medium to 1v1 only to have the rat contribute significant damage :p
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2014-07-27 11:57:21 UTC
Terhiss wrote:
It currently takes 143 conquered sites to render a system vulnerable. Thats already a considerable time sink as it is. When toying with this balance you might result in needing a quantity of resources that arent as readily available in FW as in incursions or other activities.
Plex Npcs dont only serve to deter botting alts, they also need to be tailored to a certain playerbase.

That is, unfortunately, the way CCP does their tweaking .. little to no regard to what happens when a change is implemented Smile

The abhorrently high plex requirement for flipping was added when they all but removed the rats (ie. the farm years) but now that rats are spawning once again they "forgot" to dial down the plex-count-to-flip, resulting in occupancy being frozen at its pre-tweak level.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#44 - 2014-07-27 12:20:01 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Terhiss wrote:
It currently takes 143 conquered sites to render a system vulnerable. Thats already a considerable time sink as it is. When toying with this balance you might result in needing a quantity of resources that arent as readily available in FW as in incursions or other activities.
Plex Npcs dont only serve to deter botting alts, they also need to be tailored to a certain playerbase.

That is, unfortunately, the way CCP does their tweaking .. little to no regard to what happens when a change is implemented Smile

The abhorrently high plex requirement for flipping was added when they all but removed the rats (ie. the farm years) but now that rats are spawning once again they "forgot" to dial down the plex-count-to-flip, resulting in occupancy being frozen at its pre-tweak level.


There can be no dial back, the entire point is so people cannot flip a homesystem before a defence can be mounted. Only difference now is that the donkey work has to be done by non farmers. The recent action across the warzone shows this is working well.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#45 - 2014-07-27 13:05:00 UTC
i dont like how CCP has frozen the pendulum.....no more swing in occupancy rates....~25% increase in time needed to run an offensive plex, making PLEX LP even more useless compared to L4-******* missions...and Crosi, every home system that "needs to mount a defence" is not really a home system.....
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#46 - 2014-07-27 13:39:24 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
i dont like how CCP has frozen the pendulum.....no more swing in occupancy rates....~25% increase in time needed to run an offensive plex, making PLEX LP even more useless compared to L4-******* missions...and Crosi, every home system that "needs to mount a defence" is not really a home system.....


wha?

Huola and okkamon want a word with you.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2014-07-27 15:56:26 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
There can be no dial back, the entire point is so people cannot flip a homesystem before a defence can be mounted. Only difference now is that the donkey work has to be done by non farmers. The recent action across the warzone shows this is working well.

Going by the mentioned 143 plexes to flip then it takes one full day, ie. 24 hrs, to complete the plexes and that is without taking into account spawn kill pauses, travel time, down time etc. ... just pure timers.

Do you seriously consider a system that has no significant friendly traffic for more than a day at a time a "Home System"?

Not advocating that it be taken all the way back to the horrible 4-5 hrs flip times of yesteryear, but the current high number can easily do with a light trim to bring it in line with changes .. 20-30% should/could be enough to get warzones moving again while still allowing for other-side-of-world-timezones to mount a defense with ample time to spare.

Zones are frozen which is just plain bad so something must be done so militias can thaw them without having to rely on 100+ member null corp/alliance fattening cycles.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-07-27 16:12:38 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
There can be no dial back, the entire point is so people cannot flip a homesystem before a defence can be mounted. Only difference now is that the donkey work has to be done by non farmers. The recent action across the warzone shows this is working well.

Going by the mentioned 143 plexes to flip then it takes one full day, ie. 24 hrs, to complete the plexes and that is without taking into account spawn kill pauses, travel time, down time etc. ... just pure timers.

Do you seriously consider a system that has no significant friendly traffic for more than a day at a time a "Home System"?

Not advocating that it be taken all the way back to the horrible 4-5 hrs flip times of yesteryear, but the current high number can easily do with a light trim to bring it in line with changes .. 20-30% should/could be enough to get warzones moving again while still allowing for other-side-of-world-timezones to mount a defense with ample time to spare.

Zones are frozen which is just plain bad so something must be done so militias can thaw them without having to rely on 100+ member null corp/alliance fattening cycles.

Zones only move when folks focused on PvP decide to move them - as it should be.

Want the warzone to move? Not a problem - grab some friends, spend a day or so plexing up a handful of nearby systems, then flip them.

If you're not willing to put forth the organized effort to take space, don't whine about it not moving. Squids manage to flip 8 systems while we were down in Huola, we already took a couple in return.

The warzones are fine atm - just need folks to decide to make a push, and it happens.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#49 - 2014-07-27 16:13:18 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Going by the mentioned 143 plexes to flip then it takes one full day, ie. 24 hrs, to complete the plexes and that is without taking into account spawn kill pauses, travel time, down time etc. ... just pure timers.

Your numbers are off.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#50 - 2014-07-28 16:35:29 UTC
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