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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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flakeys
Doomheim
#121 - 2014-07-22 20:05:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
admiral root wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Yup they never changed the tank of mining ships BIG TIME nor did they recently change the ability to strengthen your tank for freighters.


Actually, the freighter changes were orchestrated by the ganker cartels. The proof is in any thread in the past however many years where fittable freighters was suggested and the gankers were the ones warning that it would result in silly people fitting for max cargo, only to be surprised when they went boom. Our posts were actually coded messages to CCP telling them to make it happen. Unfortunately, the decoder rings kept getting lost in the mail until James 315 took one to fanfest and handed it to Hilmar personally.
The same techniques were also used in the push for being able to close and restart a corp to drop a wardec.



Damn you gank cartels , damn you ... /me shakes fist

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Eveli
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#122 - 2014-07-23 11:40:58 UTC
hi krom

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#123 - 2014-07-23 12:52:57 UTC
This just seems like a lot of back and forth over 700mil isk. Can't I just mail someone a check and we can all move on?
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#124 - 2014-07-23 13:26:25 UTC
flakeys wrote:
13 nonames wrote:
flakeys wrote:
13 nonames wrote:
I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police



Why do people ask for such things ONLY when they have lost a ship due to this and not before?You're playing since 2011 yet this is the first time you ask for this and it won't be a coincidence that the day you made this thread you lost an orca in empire now is it?

You knew about this tactic before yet had no problems with it untill you yourself fell victim to it.That is what i call being a hypo .


i have asked for this long b4 that loss



Point me to that post then , i assume you DO know that every post you make on the forums is still viewable and as i am OBVIOUSLY a dumb **** who can't read as i haven't found any post of you asking for a such a thing since you started posting in 2011 prove me wrong not by stating i am but by linking the post itself.





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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-07-23 14:39:46 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Then how do the pirates make isk? Or do you just want to run around in your officer fit ravens without any worry and making stacks of isk safely



You know that there are other 2 characte slots in an account? And a single alt with 1 million isk in a trade hub is enough to generate 2-3 billion isk per month with very little effort. More than enough to keep a pirate ongoing.


The Only problem in high sec ganking are destroyers. THey are too cheap for their firepower. Make the fact that concord will kill you irrelevant.


destroyers are so cheap to alloy lower sp players to have a decent dps ship to compete against bigger players. if the 2 slots is the case and you can make 2-3billion a month from 1 million isk then why isnt everyone trading and why is this guy running around in an orca when he could just sit in station and make stacks of isk, sorry im not one for sitting docked adjusting buy orders every 10mins to keep up with all the competition and id also love to hear how you make those numbers from a million isk as i have a trading alt and it aint happening,

i like shooting people and if i can make isk from shooting people then im happy to keep shooting people, pirates are called pirates for a reason, they pirate stuff, steal things, kill people, hijack ships sitting docked trading isnt being a pirate



Because most people are too dumb to try. Also I should have written 1 Million SP character, for some reason I wrote Isk, probably due to reflex of almost all "millions"in eve being isk. On how much isk you need? start with half a bil and you can do it.

All the really rich people in eve , don't leave the main trade hub stations with their alts. If you have a pirate main it only logical to train one of your alts into an income source. If you cannot think on that, then it is your problem, not eve's.


I know why destroyers exist, but they do create some fine line between reasonable high sec ganking and just randomly making concord irrelevant.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#126 - 2014-07-23 15:59:19 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Then how do the pirates make isk? Or do you just want to run around in your officer fit ravens without any worry and making stacks of isk safely



You know that there are other 2 characte slots in an account? And a single alt with 1 million isk in a trade hub is enough to generate 2-3 billion isk per month with very little effort. More than enough to keep a pirate ongoing.


The Only problem in high sec ganking are destroyers. THey are too cheap for their firepower. Make the fact that concord will kill you irrelevant.


destroyers are so cheap to alloy lower sp players to have a decent dps ship to compete against bigger players. if the 2 slots is the case and you can make 2-3billion a month from 1 million isk then why isnt everyone trading and why is this guy running around in an orca when he could just sit in station and make stacks of isk, sorry im not one for sitting docked adjusting buy orders every 10mins to keep up with all the competition and id also love to hear how you make those numbers from a million isk as i have a trading alt and it aint happening,

i like shooting people and if i can make isk from shooting people then im happy to keep shooting people, pirates are called pirates for a reason, they pirate stuff, steal things, kill people, hijack ships sitting docked trading isnt being a pirate



Because most people are too dumb to try. Also I should have written 1 Million SP character, for some reason I wrote Isk, probably due to reflex of almost all "millions"in eve being isk. On how much isk you need? start with half a bil and you can do it.

All the really rich people in eve , don't leave the main trade hub stations with their alts. If you have a pirate main it only logical to train one of your alts into an income source. If you cannot think on that, then it is your problem, not eve's.


I know why destroyers exist, but they do create some fine line between reasonable high sec ganking and just randomly making concord irrelevant.


Its incredibly boring more so than mining and not something i like doing hense why i dont do it, but if someone can get by with making money from shooting carebears who have so much isk to splash out and be stupid by running around afk then who are you to tell them to go trade, carebears have enough to protect them and its their fault if they choose to cut corners

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-07-23 20:26:06 UTC
In the continuing theme of trying to be all things to all people, and THE single resource of delicous EvE information and content, your Dark Lord of Crux has posted...

The counter-ganking safety manual.

Yes spacefriends, carebears can NO LONGER wail and gnash their teeth that they 'weren't informed' about the realities of hisec not being safe, nor how to protect themselves against ganks.

The intent here isn't to nerf ganking or to white-knight, but provide a handy link for the inevitable future gank victims that refuse to follow its advice, and mistakenly call for nerfs instead. I intend to jam this post down the throat of each and every fail-bear in the future who wails 'nerf ganking!'. F#)$(#!

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General Nusense
Doomheim
#128 - 2014-07-23 20:56:08 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.


its easier to "eek out a living" in nullsec. since most of it is blue or under some stupid "dont shoot my space pixels" agreement.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#129 - 2014-07-23 21:07:21 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.


its easier to "eek out a living" in nullsec. since most of it is blue or under some stupid "dont shoot my space pixels" agreement.


It's more like "You can't take away my renters space, I can't take away your renters space". We still shoot each others space pixels.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#130 - 2014-07-23 22:16:07 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:

I know why destroyers exist, but they do create some fine line between reasonable high sec ganking and just randomly making concord irrelevant.


There is no such thing as "unreasonable" highsec ganking anyway. An action taken within the boundaries of the game's rules is legitimate by default.

Suggesting anything less is suggesting that people have the right to abdicate their own self defense to the mindless NPCs. In which case why in the **** are you playing an MMO in the first place.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#131 - 2014-07-23 22:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

I know why destroyers exist, but they do create some fine line between reasonable high sec ganking and just randomly making concord irrelevant.


There is no such thing as "unreasonable" highsec ganking anyway. An action taken within the boundaries of the game's rules is legitimate by default.

Suggesting anything less is suggesting that people have the right to abdicate their own self defense to the mindless NPCs. In which case why in the **** are you playing an MMO in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that any ganking is unreasonable to some. For some bizarre reason people think Concord are a replacement for taking responsibility for their own safety.

It doesn't work like that with law enforcement in the real world, and it most definitely doesn't work like that here.

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Ecrir Twy'Lar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2014-07-24 14:25:03 UTC
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
While I don't necessarily agree with OP, some things about criminals are kinda dumb. Like, "Hey, we know you're a criminal and we will shoot you on sight, but you can dock in our station! Come on in!"

In any event, it's obvious CCP likes ganking and general mischief. If not, it'd be gone. So they wouldn't want to make it any harder to do.


I agree. While I don't think CCP should do anymore to punish gankers. I think there needs to be more potential for players to punish them. It is dumb that an outlaw who is shot on sight can dock in station. I think what stations they can dock in should be determined by their security status. -1 security status and you can only dock in a 9.0 station. -2=8.0, etc. This wouldn't prevent them from hunting in highsec, but it would prevent them from using stations to hide. If they need supplies, they can still go to lowsec for them or they can have an alt bring them supplies.

Gankers are added content. Why not take advantage of that and let people try and hunt them down.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#133 - 2014-07-24 14:32:57 UTC
In a lot of ways, I lay the root cause of a lot of tears and cries for nerfs at the feet of CCP, who don't expectation-level honestly with new players on the reality of EvE.

My personal experiences in RL have taught me that if you make someone aware of the 'paper cuts' coming their way, they are much less likely to freak out and cry grievous arterial wound when said time comes.

My recurring theme is also that the CSM is nullsec/losec centric, and while population density is highest in hisec and where new player subs are won or lost, proper pressure is not being put on CCP to do said expectation levelling.

I remain convinced, that if CCP did a 'cold dark truth' tutorial for new players as outlined at the bottom of this, they could address new player unsubs better than with any mechanics nerfs that p!ss of the vets they do have.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#134 - 2014-07-24 14:34:32 UTC
Ecrir Twy'Lar wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
While I don't necessarily agree with OP, some things about criminals are kinda dumb. Like, "Hey, we know you're a criminal and we will shoot you on sight, but you can dock in our station! Come on in!"

In any event, it's obvious CCP likes ganking and general mischief. If not, it'd be gone. So they wouldn't want to make it any harder to do.


I agree. While I don't think CCP should do anymore to punish gankers. I think there needs to be more potential for players to punish them. It is dumb that an outlaw who is shot on sight can dock in station. I think what stations they can dock in should be determined by their security status. -1 security status and you can only dock in a 9.0 station. -2=8.0, etc. This wouldn't prevent them from hunting in highsec, but it would prevent them from using stations to hide. If they need supplies, they can still go to lowsec for them or they can have an alt bring them supplies.

Gankers are added content. Why not take advantage of that and let people try and hunt them down.


well if thats the case then the automatic warp scramble concord apply as soon as you shoot a player in highsec should be removed completely and allow them to be chased out of system by players and police

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#135 - 2014-07-24 14:39:55 UTC
Ecrir Twy'Lar wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
While I don't necessarily agree with OP, some things about criminals are kinda dumb. Like, "Hey, we know you're a criminal and we will shoot you on sight, but you can dock in our station! Come on in!"

In any event, it's obvious CCP likes ganking and general mischief. If not, it'd be gone. So they wouldn't want to make it any harder to do.


I agree. While I don't think CCP should do anymore to punish gankers. I think there needs to be more potential for players to punish them. It is dumb that an outlaw who is shot on sight can dock in station. I think what stations they can dock in should be determined by their security status. -1 security status and you can only dock in a 9.0 station. -2=8.0, etc. This wouldn't prevent them from hunting in highsec, but it would prevent them from using stations to hide. If they need supplies, they can still go to lowsec for them or they can have an alt bring them supplies.

Gankers are added content. Why not take advantage of that and let people try and hunt them down.


Instead, how about we give negative sec status players some incentive to undock?

Remove facpo, that way neg sec status players are not being constantly chased around by the magic space police. That's the reason the prospective white knights can't get anything done by the way, because we can't have a margin for error thanks to the fact that the faction police can chase us down faster than a player ever will.

You want to open up player interaction? Then remove the NPCs who get in the way.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-07-24 14:58:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Instead, how about we give negative sec status players some incentive to undock?

Remove facpo, that way neg sec status players are not being constantly chased around by the magic space police. That's the reason the prospective white knights can't get anything done by the way, because we can't have a margin for error thanks to the fact that the faction police can chase us down faster than a player ever will.

You want to open up player interaction? Then remove the NPCs who get in the way.


So true.

Also, I would like to point out that 8/10 players think CONCORD = Faction Police. So its doubtful that anyone would notice other than the criminals.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#137 - 2014-07-24 15:27:43 UTC
Istyn wrote:
Haaranovor tenn wrote:
People with very low sec status are shot on sight by CONCORD, and I think there's also a point where players can shoot them at will too.


They're shot on sight by faction police, not Concord - and it depends how low their sec status is as to whether they'll be shot in a particular system.

Players can shoot anyone with -5 as they're outlaws.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions


Unless they are in Concord space. Then Concord is the faction police.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2014-07-24 15:43:27 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:

Unless they are in Concord space. Then Concord is the faction police.


Please see my post directly above yours.

CONCORD is not Faction Police.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#139 - 2014-07-24 15:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
In the Sanctum Constellation, Concord IS the faction police.

See: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Genesis/Sanctum

EDIT: See the following link and note the second paragraph under "Restricted Systems".
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/System_security
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2014-07-24 15:57:30 UTC
I wasnt referring to system ownership.

CONCORD cannot be tanked, cannot be evaded, and cannot be destroyed. They only spawn when a red card is handed out.

Faction Police (whatever they are called in the system you are in) will shoot anyone with a low enough status in the system you are in, beginning at -2. They can be tanked, evaded, and shot at.



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