Player Features and Ideas Discussion

LOL, call them "UN Observers" - or "Sisters of Eve Observers."

I am not sure this will be unbalanced. If I recall the defensive plexing = the amount you would get at that tier if you were offensive plexing * 75%* the amount the system is contested. So People will get very little lp for defensive plexing a system down to 0%. Offensive plexing should eventually wear down the defensive plexers. (this is how I think it used to be unless ccp changed it)

Plus, as you said, the missions work to devalue the lp and are much more lucrative than defensive plexing. Since they don't effect occupancy it works to balance things.


My issue just has to do with the pvp. Its not fun to take a fight with an unkillable mwding rat constantly shooting you. Thats why I think if you don't aggro the rat it shouldn't shoot you.

I am not in favor of defensive plexing much at all. I think people should fight for their systems and not be able to plex when the wartargets leave.

dplexing is easy for more reasons than just the npcs. Its also easy because you know anytime you see a wt he is not docked. So its easy to defensive plex after the enemy players have left. This imo is the real problem with defensive plexing and faction war in general. Too many plexes are run with no enemies even knowing the complexes are being taken.

You can change the rats back and forth and that really wont effect anything. The current situation is still not even close to when the amarr had to deal with huge waves of target painting rats. Amarr would generally go back and forth and likely would have been winning the occupancy war had it not been for one player in the minmatar.

In the end I am not really against balancing against defensive plexing. But in general I am against looking to rats to try to balance this war which should be pvp. I think ccp needs to redirect its attention to giving the players better tools to defend plexes and stop spending time messing with the npcs.

Well you can defensive plex all you want in a backwater system, but once it is at 0 you wont make any LP anymore...

And why is it easier if you would have to kill the same amount of NPC's?

It would be the same effort, the only difference is that IF it is in a station system the defending Faction can dock there.
But those docking rights is what we should be fighting about. And there should be a little advantage to defending.

AND like Aiphona said, if you make the NPC neutral plex-defenders that you have to shoot for both Offensive AND Defensive, then you can make the LP reward for Defensive pretty much the same, wich will make defending much more interesting.

Offensive plexing creates content (attempts to change status quo), defensive plexing destroys it. For this reason alone offensive plexing should be more rewarding than defensive plexing.

Meanwhile, calmil is busy flopping around like a squid out of water and not taking advantage of exactly what you just stated. We tend to waste more time on internal politics than we should, unfortunately. That being said, we'll still be out in force, and hopefully we can both avoid getting dumped on by waffle fleets. I still have no idea why Templis is hung up on kinakka...

Alright, so decided to take some time away from this thread to nail down some ideas; and I think I've actually come up with something that is pretty interesting ... but keep in mind it /would/ require Dead Space to change (which isn't a bad thing)

First things first:
Something that can be implemented quickly (immediately)

Novice • 5,000 LP • 10 Minutes [500 LP / Minute] (Any Frigate and Down) 0.75% Capture
Small • 7,200 LP • 12 Minutes [600 LP / Minute] (Any Destroyer and Down) 1.00% Capture
Medium • 10,200 LP • 15 Minutes [700 LP / Minute] (Any Cruiser and Down) 1.25% Capture
*Large • 16,000 LP • 20 Minutes [800 LP / Minute] (Any Battle Cruiser and Down) 1.5% Capture
*X-Large • 22,500 LP • 25 Minutes [900 LP / Minute] (Any Battleship and Down) 2.0% Capture
**Capital • 30,000 LP • 30 Minutes [1,000 LP / Minute] (Any Capital and Down) 5.0% Capture

*Large and X-Large are Gated
** Capital has a Capital NPC, but also puts a System-Wide Cyno-Jammer in to effect. Spawns once per day, per Constellation.
It also disables Fighter / Fighter-Bomber Warp Capabilities.

Complex Gates:
• Unlocked ONLY for Friendly Faction
• Analyser will Unlock the Gate for 30 seconds (45 second if Tech 2) on successful Hack
• Any ship in Faction Warfare can fit a Military Analyser, which is installed like a Rig / Sub-System; which is destroyed when either un-fitted, repackaged or when no longer in Faction Warfare
• Military Analyser permanently unlocks Gate for users Faction on successful Hack.

Complexes:
• Off-Grid Links are Disabled
• 30km Warp Disruption Bubble around the Command Facility
• Complex Facility must be Hacked (see above for Military Analyser) up to 5x
• After each Firewall (Successful) Hack, an Enemy and Friendly NPC Wing will Warp In
• Exiting the Complex (i.e. no Players Left) will reset the Timer to 0 for that Firewall and NPCs will Warp Out
• Timers are not subject to Players being within a certain distance, merely /inside/ the Complex
• Timers are Stopped when either all Players Leave, or the Facility is Counter-Hacked
• While Hacking, all Weapon Systems (including Drones) are disabled / returned to bay
• Target Queue = Neutral > Enemy NPC > Enemy
• If the Enemy Out-Numbers Friendly then the Commander NPC provides Boost Links to increase the Resists and Repair to both NPCs and Friendly Militia
• NPC Wings Contain 4x Standard with 1x Commander... the Standard NPC are ~50% as effective as the current ones with the Commander on-par with a Faction Spawn and the current Repair amount on FW Spawns.

Reward Pay-Out:
• Each NPC Wing is worth 1/5th the Complex Loyalty Point Bounty, i.e. Small 1,000 LP per Wing, 400 LP for the Commander, 150 LP for each Squad Member.
• Wings will only appear once a Firewall is broken rather than Counter-Hacked
• If there are < 6 Pilots (total) in a Complex, only the first time a Firewall Level is hacked will the NPCs have LP Bounties paid; instead a "You have not qualified" will be next to the pay-out for additional back and forth (to prevent exploiting)

Upgrade Bonus'
Warzone:
• Tier 1 - 0% Bonus to I-HUB Upgrades
• Tier 2 - 20%
• Tier 3 - 35%
• Tier 4 - 45%
• Tier 5 - 50%

I-HUB Upgrades
Split in to 3 Categories:

Strategic • 5% Bonus (Per Level) to NPC Bounty Pay-Out (this includes FW LP)
Military • 5% Bonus (Per Level) to Faction NPC Defensive and Offensive Capabilities
Industrial • 2% Reduction (Per Level) to Starbase Fuel and Material Cost, 10% Market Cost Reduction

Bonus' are provided to Friendly Faction Warfare & Neutrals who have +3.0 Standing with Faction Warfare NPC Corporation
(This means even those 'New' to Faction Warfare MUST participate in order to Qualify)

The I-HUB is also transformed in to a Faction Outpost, with Repair, Clone Bay, Hanger, Production, Research and Refining Facilities available to the current Sovereignty Holder.

Upgrade Levels (for each Category) cost 60,000 - 120,000 - 240,000 - 480,000 - 960,000 LP (with a 300,000 Buffer)

Each Complex that Spawns in a System reduces the I-HUB by 45% the Complex LP Worth from all three Categories

Systems Spawn, 1x Novice, Small, Medium, Large and X-Large at a time. Their Spawn rate is 2x Base Complex Completion Time (i.e. Novice 20min, Small 30min, etc...)

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What I would suggest for the Future, would be a Data Site that when completed provide +0.25% Capture and 25% LP Pay-Out... but successfully completing it would provide a random Bonus / De Buff for 60 minutes (stackable) for that System either in terms of Offensive or Defensive.

As such their primary purpose would likely be the Farmers would focus on them for the 'easy' LP but it would provide a benefit for the active participants.

Also believe that FW Missions should be removed, not changed, tweaked, etc... just completely removed.
They provide no benefits to the Warzone at all, they're merely LP / TAG ATMs; I do have an idea of how to better do Missions, as they would be better as 'Team Arena' style things that are more structured than the more 'free-for-all' of general FW... but for the time being they should simply be removed as they're useless and counter-productive.