Jita Park Speakers Corner

The real issue here isn't that Nullsec is over-represented, its that the smarter highsec people who could get an organised CSM campaign running know better than to shout too loud about highsec since they don't want to bring too much attention to their gravy train. When CCP does start to pay attention to highsec by carrying out much needed fixes there (nerfing risk-free and effort-free income streams) the highsec loudmouths will start to wish CCP had carried right on with their 0.0 focus for a few more expansion cycles.

I agree wholeheartedly. Highsec badly needs some developer attention.

Its just that the issues that need fixing in highsec are not ones that most primarily highsec residents will benefit from, since they mostly boil down to 'no risk, no effort, all reward'. Any highseccer with the slightest awareness of the game beyond their missioning hub or ice belt knows this, the ones shouting about WHY DOESN'T CCP WORK ON HIGHSEC WHY ARE YOU CAPITULATING TO THE BIG 0.0 POWERS will start to wish they'd kept their mouth shut when CCP's gaze swiches back to empire.



quoting this because I am down.

I guess I just disagree that CCP has to change the rules to make it possible for a "high sec" candidate to obtain office. There isn't anything in mechanics preventing a candidate from stepping forward and being willing to voice concerns on behalf of high sec. If recent candidates haven't been willing to convince enough of the high sec players (who far outnumber the Goons) to vote for them, that isn't a good enough reason for CCP to arbitrarily force a candidate into a seat just because he's from high sec. They must be trusted and advocated for by the people, in the end.

CSM7 should be different though, there is certainly a large swath of players like yourself that are thirsty for a change in the council makeup, and hopefully everyone now realizes that the stakes are high enough that voting is more critical than ever.

As for Crucible being a nullsec-catering expansion, I think you'd have to clarify more what you mean exactly. Most of the expansion serves everyone - New ships, new graphics, UI overhauling, and combat balancing. Those are generic features that benefit every player regardless of where you live.

Supercaps were nerfed (a huge boon to low sec inhabitants like myself, Pandemic Legion hasn't been out thumping down Nyx fleets to gank BC gangs) and most importantly, anomolies were given an isk boost. This attracts the nullsec alliances back out into nullsec, and away from ganking noobs in high sec, because after the last expansion's nerf they ended up making the same income in Empire space at greatly reduced risk. Boosting null and getting alliances interested in living out there again is as much a buff to high sec life as it is the null alliances.

No, I didn't miss your proposal, I just think its been explained pretty well that compulsory voting causes far more problems than it does solutions. Mainly, that people who simply don't care enough to read about candidates and place a vote have made it clear that they are forfeiting their right to be represented on the council. Also, every capsuleer should be allowed to refrain from voting if they feel it is a corrupt system. The percentage of players even willing to vote in the first place is a powerful, informative statistic, and a barometer of player faith in the CSM process. I'd hate to see that go to waste because someone decided players needed to have a gun to their heads when it comes to the political process.

Many players just don't care about EvE politics, and just want to log in and blow something up and have fun, than log off. Many never even read the forums. And god bless them, that's their right. It's a video game.

Preferential voting still doesnt address the issue of representing diverse constituencies. Either CCP arbitrarily slices up the player base into arbitrary categories, and has a preferential voting system for a player from each category, or the preferential vote system only gives nullsec alliances the ability to ensure that their victory over the entire council is even more absolute. Problem is, players don't just fall into neat categories. Many move, change, adapt, migrate, and learn new gameplay styles, and can't be classified strictly as "nullsec players" or "highsec players"

Also, you don't have to convince me, a career Faction Warfare pilot, about what hasn't been done in terms of expansion material. We've been fighting for recognition (not even change, simply recognition mind you) for years now, and finally we've gotten one (just one) small bug fix.

Surely, though, you understand that your demand for more work on the NeX store is quite unique amongst the vast majority of EvE players. Its not just nullsec that wanted focus on spaceships, its almost everyone. The "eighteen months" you speak of has been the 18 months dedicated to the Incarna build-up, and players have been fairly appalled at how little was produced in such a long time. The flood of items implemented with Crucible over a short couple of months should be a clear demonstration that Avatar gameplay simply is not CCP's strength and that continuing to work on Walking in Stations was an extremely inefficient use of their time. That is not to say we will never iteration there again, only that I think your expectations are misplaced if you think that CCP is about to return to that quagmire in the near future. They have too many other angry customers in high, low, and null sec alike that have demanded a return to spaceship-based gameplay.

In fact, I'd venture and say most of us wouldn't even qualify additional clothing releases as "gameplay" at all. On top of the fact that an overwhelming amount of players didn't even EvE to ever include MT(whether they give advantages or not), much of the outrage could have been prevented if CCP had proven their ability to actually implement anything meaningful to do in the CQ environment.

Production efficiency should be as valid a measure of what gets worked on as anything else, if CCP can't produce meaningful gameplay through Incarna after a year's work, than players deserved for them to get back to rapidly releasing content that does give players more to enjoy.

Like I said, as a player engaging in a feature enjoy by a minority (Faction Warfare), I completely sympathize with your frustration that what you wanted to see didn't make it in. I'm just hoping you understand where your interests lie in relation to those of the rest of the player base.

Be fair, that wasn't really "focusing" on anything space-related.

Good ! Good! You are almost there. Now go back and read what I said once again, but this time try to absorb the message without trying to imply that I have any agenda. All I said was that there are reasons that THE WHOLE CSM is populated by ZERO DWELLERS and gave you those reasons. As to solutions for balanced representation, a more Republican approach would have the CSM divided into 3 "groups" (Zero, Low, High) with maybe 3 representatives elected for each.

But of course, the Goons will game that too. So you're still hosed. No I'm afraid the only real answer is a proletariat based revolution born of rabidly angry mobs from HighSec who ban together in "Public Safety Commitees" and begin the Great Terror. Maybe the best thing CCP could do is introduce a new weapon.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo5BBHtn4tM&noredirect=1

While I applaud the role playing here, this is the distant future, not 20th century Earth. Saying that CCP needs to start decapitating Goons and that we need a proletariat revolution isn't exactly an approach many are going to take seriously, nor does it demonstrate a nuanced understanding of the political reality in New Eden.

Besides, you've already discredited the angry mob approach by labeling all high sec dwellers as being incapable of agreeing on anything to work together, and stated that half of them are Goon plants as it is. I don't really understand why calling them "Public Safety Committees" would have any more success than a normal candidate who genuinely seeks a high sec vote.

But if you want to lead the angry mobs, Comrade, go for it!! I salute your efforts. o7

You're absolutely right, there was a lot of meat-and-potatoes programming that went on during the "18 months" that players neither see nor give credit for. Carbon goes far deeper than avatar gameplay though, and provided the basis for many of the art assets in Crucible as well. CCP has previously stated that the upgrade to Carbon was needed before ship skins, etc could be implemented. Incarna was indeed not as fruitless as some would give it credit.

My guess is that we'll still see those unreleased clothes and such deployed eventually, but I think Crucible was in large part a PR effort and quite reactionary as an expansion. When players are demanding "no more barbies", CCP would have insulted them by releasing more "barbie clothes" at such a sensitive time. Once some of the vehement reaction to Incarna has more or less subsided, I guarantee you CCP will try to recoup some of the cash they invested in those assets by placing them up for sale.

As far as new features vs broken features, I guess we simply disagree on the best use of CCP's time. I personally feel that the fixing of core, broken, features should supercede development of additional features to EvE, others may feel differently.

In the end, there are literally hundreds of not thousands of potential features players may feel strongly about. Anyone is free to stand up and say "CCP, I'd love for you to work on _______" But I think its unreasonable to simply call out CCP as "not listening to players" because they don't have time to get to every niche interest. If you spend the time, and continue to make a drive for improvement or iteration (as the Faction Warfare community has for years), even minority-requested updates can be implemented. But CCP is naturally going to migrate to the most popular requests first, and rightfully so.

Business is business, CCP has to work on the projects that will make the most players happy and lead to the greatest number of retained subscriptions. I think they re-evaluated the market demand for certain development features, and made a judgement call to postpone Incarna development in favor of the core spaceship crowd. Time will tell if they made the right decision, if indeed there are a significant number of players like yourself that need more Incarna features to remain a paying customer, we'll see a change in direction yet again. In the meantime, understand they are doing what they need to do to remain profitable. They're not a charity, after all.

This applies to NeX prices as well - they've done an analysis of what they need to charge to actually sell items, if players are willing to pay current prices, they will remain high. If you're upset about NeX pricing, you can't blame CCP as a business - you have to blame the monocle wearers. Without their purchases, supply and demand would force CCP to lower their price.

I think the constructive thing to do here would be to lock you and the Comrade in a room together with a guillotine and see who comes out with their head still attached....

I don't know why its taken me this long, I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but now my troll alert spidey senses are tingling.

Just for the record, you have no interest in any of the activity that goes beyond shooting NPC's and spending money on avatar clothes??