Crime & Punishment

No, you only drink if GG, himself, posts it.

But it's not just goblin, why is grr goons so prevalent? I really have no clue why there are so many tears about the CFC's existence

Storytime!

Basically, Goon arrival in a new online game is something most devs dread. Goon's version of fun tends to be quite...different than normal people, and that comes as a detriment to most devs. Normally, lots of banning, ban evasion, complaining, grouching, and assorted tomfoolery.

EVE is the game that Goons actually managed to fit into. They just bring a reputation from other games.

Granted, I think less than 10% of the grrGoons people in EVE actually know about SA invasions from other games. It's mostly just a case of "those guys are successful I don't like that!"

What amuses me is the DB preacher parallel.

Back in 2007 when I started, I remember similar posts about goons losses, and the hilarious hindsight is that on the old forums, goons eventually stole DB preachers very tag from off the posts, and as a result they are all tagged with that stupid kenzoku name of shame. I can't remember which one posted which post now, but one of them was gevlonanal to the extent of counting ishkurs and having a nice little table column just for t2 frigates lost.

Thus far grrr has seen goons steal gevlons wormhole and marmite steal gevlons alliance (and his money, and anything else that wasn't nailed down).

Exactly what things will people remember in 2 years time, that goons lost the same stuff this month as they did last month and the month before, and the month before or that goons stole gevlons wormhole whilst marmite stole his wallet and his alliance ?

So the blog post that means we are "going down" is apparently "small gang PVP isn't dead" and somehow this is the end of us. I don't know.
It, once again, seems like he is making up something we said, then is fighting against it. Strawman, windmills, etc. Specifically:



He's going to want to cite a source there, since we run (via sigs) several of the most active small-gang groups in the game.

He might want to note we specifically argue against this being the case, and will even ban people for claiming "blue donut" in TMC comments.

For the 42394234th time, all "our" haulers are neutral and not affected by the "grrr project" in any way.
The rest of his post seems to just be "form a small gang and fly to Deklein" - yes please .. ?

The blog which he billed as "goons going down" is, in s tl;dr sense "The Goons are right about everything (but I will pretend they said the opposite and then prove them wrong)"

So in that, I guess I need to say thanks?

I honestly don't know anymore. "Goalposts" gevlon doesn't cover someone arguing your own points for you.

Gevlon's blog posts have become increasingly more delusional and far-fetched since March. Everything he claims is either a massive reach, or pure fabrication.

It's also hilarious that he thinks 3b per week is a large contribution to MoA - thats literally chump change. But hey, he is contributing about 5% of MOA's SRP - he must be directly responsible for their kills.

Of course, he presents as evidence our losses to BL/MOA/Tri, but ignores the fact that we have spent the past month fighting them more than any other entities in eve and ignores the amount they lost to us.

Gevlon: Unlike lemmings/marmites camping the jita undock, real PvP involves losses from both sides. Yes, I know this is foreign to you. If you want to present our losses as a result of real pvp in nullsec, you must show isk ratios and the amount we destroyed as a ratio of what we lost. Otherwise, you statistics are LITERALLY meaningless.

Other things that matter are strategic objectives, like kicking BL out of pure blind, camping them into a station (however briefly), successfully defending everything in delve they tried to blap, taking their R64's and shooting their pos's.

I would be happy if he motivated some people to come to dek in small gangs, but who is really going to do that? marmite? rofl

Oh man, the sperg rage is strong here. I don't know what's more absurd - you inventing the notion goons are superhumans and then going through all that trouble disproving yourself or mixing social people with global warming. Darn, take a deep breath before your head explode.

If they can tolerate DBRB as an FC, nothing will make them ragequit.

Facebook users have increased since 2005.
Personal debt has increased since 2005.
Therefore, facebook caused the banking crisis!

Ice-cream sales are highest in July.
Murder rates are highest in July.
Therefore, buying ice-cream makes you murder!

Or, you know, you could learn very very basic statistics and learn that correlation != causation.

In your example, your data is caused by Asakai, the Fountain war, and the subsequent go-slow we go through after a major campaign. You may remember the Fountain war - it's the one where you claimed TEST couldn't lose because you set up a donations board were getting scammed blind by TEST and couldn't see it.

I hope it turns out your blog is a meta-troll about the dangers of small amounts of stats knowledge and pre-conceived conclusions, because the alternative, that you spend your life making up stats to prove your biased world view about a group in a video game, is kinda sad.

Anyhow - I am going to help you out slightly, basic stats stuff.

To support the notion that a particular correlation is due to a causal relationship, one needs to propose a mechanism for the relationship.
So, by what mechanism do you think getting 200% reimbursement for our losses makes us quit the game? Is it because we get apathy from having too much money? Do our wallets get so large the client doesn't load?

Gonna need you to link A to B on this one and show how gaining money makes us leave.