EVE General Discussion

Or CCP losing the income needed to keep the current build of Tranquility online. You know, games like Ultima Online will live as long as someone can install a server build on his home PC -and it works fine as all in all UO was coded to run on a 1997-era server.

But EVE's Tranquility... well, it's quite a different beast. You can't downsize an elephant, did you know?

And that opinion is precisely why CCP shouldn't listen to the all the loud forum warrioring and Jita statue shooting "core player base" if they have any plans left for this game except to let it lapse into the undead MMOG limbo where EverQuest, UO and Dark Age of Camelot still exist with those metaphorical 500 people on the server.

Eh, considering subs are going up on Tranquility and Serenity both, I don't think they need to downsize. Hopefully they can do something workable with Legion and Valkyrie.

At least Dust gets now (far too late) a lot of sorely needed bugfixes and balances. It's a bit like CCP has fired all the dead weight. (Or the dead weight is now working on Legion. ****, hopefully not.)

You could have just stopped with "Yes dear, you are entirely correct."

Yeah, no, all customers are terrible. Seduce them, recruit them or pick them up and chuck them out of the nearest door. Standing around being hammered by the critiques of the lazy-but-equipped-with-enormous-gobs is tedious.

I'm right sometimes. You picked your name though, which is a bit worrying.

In a profit driven enterprise some types of business do cave in to the lowest common denominator. CCP haven't, yet. People keep referring to the shareholders, but Hilmar is the biggest I think (?) and he's still operationally in charge of the business. Looking at those layoffs with a cynical eye you might say they were mistreated, but part of me thinks they were retained way past the point they should have been. Which is a sign of something rare, regardless of the internal politics.

If you want CCP to sell out to cater to the masses, just say so. Then we can really flay you.

when the only way to make highsec players happy is to completely remove PvP and fire off any part of the dev team not assigned to making more variations of the same mission to appease their ISK-boner raid-dropout self-important needs, then Id be happy to have highsec pissed off at CCP.

10 year vet, so my right to post, and i'll toss in my .02 isk

To the "eve has lost subs" and the 'eve did a layoff and lost alot of money"

did you even read the finacial document? i mean really look at it? What annoys me the most about the 'loss' is that its not really a loss. If you look at the very first line in the statement, where they list finances, there is this nice little line that reads:

Revue from games: 2013 $$$$ 2012 $$$$

If you look at that single line, ccp made around $10 million MORE in 2013 then 2012.

Let that sink in a second.... they made 10m MORE. CCP would of had a huge profit, but they canceled WoD, and as such had to right off all the money they spent on it. Also, from 2010 to 2012 they have enough profit to cover that loss anyway.

Now why i think they have not announced the sub numbers? Because of something very simple. Dust.

some may be going wait wait what? But you could use simple math to figure out how much dust made/loss ccp if you have the true sub numbers. For example, if in the 6 month statement it says ccp made 30m, of that 5m was a loss, doing simple math you can divide 30m by 6, then subtract it from the number of subs X $15. This would allow you to see how much dust brought to the fold. If dust was a failed roll out, which i think it was, and is why they had this shift of moving back to pc, canceling wod, and the layoffs, they really would not want to make that public. just my opinion, but adding 10m in a year means they are fine.

3 games on 1 account better not make my subscription costs go up. I'd be fine with having to pay for access (OTO or subscription, I don't care) for Legion and Valkyrie but not with increased subscription fee and automatic access to all three.

Or offer Valkerie and Legion subs for EVE plex :D

The lowest MMO players stay in any games for three months. There are hordes of those players and lots of games engineered to run on three-monthers.

But anyone who stays in EVE for two years is well ahead of the lowest common denominator. It takes time and effort to master any aspect of EVE, just some aspects lead to dead ends, and that is not inmediately obvious when a player starts his career.

And those dead ends are CCP's fault. They cost CCP dearly in terms of failed retention of veterans. Why spend the effort to keep someone subscribed for two years, and then just let him burn out and quit?

"Thanks for the two years, your multiple accounts and all the money, but now you can get lost because you've been playing the wrong game all along and that's your fault".

That works when people queues for the privilege to start their two-year careers. But that's not the case any longer. It would had been wise to figure this out earlier and expand the game to retain that 80% of players, rather than cope with losses, layoffs and all what it will take to turn the incoming failure into a resurrection.

I do hope so, he really is underrated.

edit: on topic: I doubt even CCP knows.