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Bring me the head of a CFC titan pilot!

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Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#161 - 2014-05-30 12:45:40 UTC
Ash Stewart wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
As you probably know, I have the GRR project, a holy war against the evil Goons and their minions. I mosty pay mercenaries to kill their members in highsec and their highsec POCOs were cleansed. Now it's time to go after their most precious ships, their titans!

It's plain and simple: kill a CFC titan for me and you get 20B bounty! The money is held by Chribba, so you can be damn sure you'll get it. He'll post in this thread. To get the money, you must send a mail to me and Chribba with the following:

  • link to the API verified Zkillboard page of the kill
  • the dead pilot must be in a CFC alliance (no "I swear he is a Goon alt" accepted)
  • a link to a well readable screenshot of the fight with the titan still alive but damaged, without any masking (minimize your secret channels). Local channel must be open, readable, with transparent background.
  • on the local channel of the screenshot at least 5 people must say "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards"
  • The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer.


Spies, titan-logoff-point campers, awoxers, get to work! Death to the titan of Evil! Grr!


I swear.. these vendettas against the goons just makes me want to join them for the hell of it.


Yup, basically this. With so much angst against goons he has to be SirMolle right?
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#162 - 2014-05-30 19:24:48 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
And I know, the point you always harp on about is how "you can'" get into goonwaffe (the corp). Arguably though, you can, you just need to be an SA member for a while or be a new SA member with a reference. And that's because they are a special interest group. If you want to join the goonswarm (the alliance) as a non-SA member, there's corps of that too. If you want to join goonwaffe (the corp) but don't want to be an SA member, then you wouldn't fit in so you aren't welcome. it would be like trying to join a singing club but hating and not wanting to sing. It's really simple stuff, but seeing how their rejection has caused you to explode so much you're obviously still pretty confused.

It would be true if Goonwaffe would be just another corp in GSF, doing the same EVE stuff while also talking about their special interests. This case being in Goonwaffe would be irrelevant EVE-wise.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming.

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2014-05-30 19:55:25 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!


How are any of our allies "slaves"?

Funny slaves, that own space, and mine the moons, and build their own titans, and set their own recruitment standards, etc.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2014-05-30 21:18:29 UTC
As a Randian, Gevlon is deeply concerned about the working conditions of the lower classes and their potential exploitation by property owners, especially those who have not earned their privilege and merely enjoy the benefits of an inheritance.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#165 - 2014-05-30 21:58:50 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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mynnna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-05-31 02:01:06 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I say we just sacrifice a titan hull at the next vile rat memorial FFA event to a swarm of newbees, collect the bounty and divide it amongst the 20 newest bees on the kill mail. EVE becomes a better place because it has one less titan in it, newbees get a titan killmail, and Gevlon ends up having to pay Goons 20 billion.


Please do it! Actually I know where you could get the titan. Mynnna is sooooooooo much more rich than me, he'd gladly donate you one.
Alternatively, he could explain you why is it an extraordinary dumb idea. If he doesn't bother to answer to a lowly grunt like yourself, come back in a few days and I explain you.

Oh wait, ignore him! Just offer your own titan!



I'll ask Mynnna about it next time I get the chance. I doubt you'll believe me, but Goon director structure isn't so rigid that I'd get bollocked just for asking something. Lowly grunt though I may be.

I'd offer my own, but I don't have a titan (and I don't want one because space coffins suck).

To be perfectly honest Goblin, I'm half tempted to sponsor you in to GoonWaffe (no fee or security deposit), just so you can see what it's like. Once people get bored of awoxing you, I think you'd quite enjoy it.


Well, you know, if you were ~capable~ of feeling joy.

I didn't get so wealthy by pissing money away pointlessly.


I also can't fly a titan anyway, because **** supercapitals.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#167 - 2014-05-31 02:19:11 UTC
Welp, there you go. I tried Goblin.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Seraph IX Basarab
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#168 - 2014-05-31 02:21:13 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
...Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming...



Not that I am for or against your mission against the GSF but regarding your question I would like to quote 80s pop group "Eurythmics" from their popular song, Sweet Dreams. Ahem:

"Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused"

Cool
Gin Alley
#169 - 2014-05-31 04:14:50 UTC
This is a lot of words about a game that no one is supposed to be having fun playing. Not sure who is the biggest loser here..
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#170 - 2014-05-31 05:17:05 UTC
Since Mynnna only refused to sacrifice his own titan, but did not explain why awoxing Goon titans is a bad idea, I explain it as promised.

If you blow up an unfit titan, you suffer about 60B loss (Hull - bounty paid by Chribba - basic insurance). I suffer 20B loss. After all these, I can offer another 20B bounty and we'll be back where we are now, except for me losing 20B and CFC losing a titan and I'm bragging about 75% ISK ratio. Now you can leave me bragging or blow up another titan.

200 titans and 4T bounty later CFC has no more titans and you can't even bridge your fleets. Of course you can hope that I don't have 4T and have to quit impoverished and defeated. But PL or N3 would gladly support my bounties if it leads to the destruction of the CFC titan fleet with 75% ISK ratio without breaking BoTLord.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Johan March
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2014-05-31 05:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan March
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Since Mynnna only refused to sacrifice his own titan, but did not explain why awoxing Goon titans is a bad idea, I explain it as promised.

If you blow up an unfit titan, you suffer about 60B loss (Hull - bounty paid by Chribba - basic insurance). I suffer 20B loss. After all these, I can offer another 20B bounty and we'll be back where we are now, except for me losing 20B and CFC losing a titan and I'm bragging about 75% ISK ratio. Now you can leave me bragging or blow up another titan.

200 titans and 4T bounty later CFC has no more titans and you can't even bridge your fleets. Of course you can hope that I don't have 4T and have to quit impoverished and defeated. But PL or N3 would gladly support my bounties if it leads to the destruction of the CFC titan fleet with 75% ISK ratio without breaking BoTLord.


You should just give Chribba the 4T right now. I bet that would kill off the CFC right there. PL could move right in. Or maybe Lemmings could. Or you could start another alliance with a goal to make more charts and graphs than any other player in EVE. The possibilities are endless. Seriously, Gevlon. Give Chribba all of your money. Think of how that will hurt the evil goonies.

Also, I wish we could buy people new avatars and custom titles like on SA. Gevlon Goalposts would be a source of even more amusement. Think about it CCP; you could make some serious :10bux: here.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#172 - 2014-05-31 08:05:46 UTC
This is all well and good at a hypothetical, but still no awox'd titan makes it academic at best. Let alone the absurdity of 200 Titans being struck down in a period short enough to exceed production times.

Or are we counting the "morning after" actions reported earlier this week as awox CFC titans? Did Criba pay up then?
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#173 - 2014-05-31 08:44:03 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I'd offer my own, but I don't have a titan (and I don't want one because space coffins suck).

Wait, wait, wait. Let's help the little bee get his derogatory Eve terminology straight, shall we?

Titans are "glass cannons". Light interdictors are "flying coffins".

MDD
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#174 - 2014-05-31 08:55:02 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Ash Stewart wrote:

I swear.. these vendettas against the goons just makes me want to join them for the hell of it.

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.


No, the people that fall for it are ignorant (in the truest sense of the word) and/or too lazy to do some very basic research. That 500mil is a cheap wake-up call about how things are in EVE.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Damon Messer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2014-05-31 09:01:57 UTC
Do titans still in production count? I heard goons blew up a few when the renters broke contract.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#176 - 2014-05-31 11:39:16 UTC
I don't know if they count, but yes we nuked some Titans in build. There's an article about it on themittani.com

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Maichin Civire
#177 - 2014-05-31 13:53:14 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I don't know if they count, but yes we nuked some Titans in build. There's an article about it on themittani.com

That was brilliant Big smile
Isabela Valentine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#178 - 2014-05-31 14:02:29 UTC
I would think they don't count since they're just renters.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#179 - 2014-05-31 18:02:01 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
It would be true if Goonwaffe would be just another corp in GSF, doing the same EVE stuff while also talking about their special interests. This case being in Goonwaffe would be irrelevant EVE-wise.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming.

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!
lol, the only problem with all of that is it's what you made up, and in no way based in fact. If you actually took the time to look into it, you'd see that Goonwaffe indeed do need to show up and have participation stats and such. Basically you've made some rubbish up, misinterpreted stats and then claim that all of that is the reason. But when you come down to it, the reason you made all that up in the first place is because you hated goons for not including you.

You realise that if you spent half the time you spend crying at goons and making up propoganda actually looking properly into the dynamics and learning how the coalition works, you'd actually stand a chance of becoming a realistic obstacle, right? It actually doesn't take that much to throw a spanner in the works of a large coalition. Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for me) you'd rather jump up and down and scream all day which just entertains us.

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Charles Case
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#180 - 2014-05-31 19:27:13 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
200 titans and 4T bounty later CFC has no more titans and you can't even bridge your fleets. Of course you can hope that I don't have 4T and have to quit impoverished and defeated. But PL or N3 would gladly support my bounties if it leads to the destruction of the CFC titan fleet with 75% ISK ratio without breaking BoTLord.


This idiot is already talking about the CFC not even being able to bridge fleets when not even one titan death will be because of his ~~mastermind~~ nonsense. :wtc: