Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The speed bonus is 200%, and your spreadsheet has only 100% (or double speed).

To elaborate:

As per that table, red numbers=good.
With this weapons platform, in order to keep damage projection consistent both, the bonused and unbonused numbers, have to be at 0.0 difference, on the ROF Gap value. This would imply that as your missiles are hitting the target, your next volley is leaving your tubes.

In the cases where the numbers are red, it means that before your missiles hit your target, the next volley is already leaving your tubes. This leads to a consistent DPS application, making it less likely for it to be repped on the "downtimes" you get while the missile chain makes it's way to the target.

In the cases where the numbers are black, it means that after your missiles hit, x many seconds will pass before your next volley is even launched. This leads to a broken up damage chain, and thus lower applied DPS.

Notice how with the Hull Bonuses vs the All V bonuses, the tendency is to be black, by quite a significant margin. This means that your Mordu's ships will have lower applied DPS, when compared to any other missile plataform without these bonuses.
Furthermore the T2 Base+All V is very close to or at 0.0 in almost every case.

I don't think it's a problem whatsoever. I mean, the fastest launcher there is AFAIK are rocket launchers, which would cycle once per second with this method.

Sadly, i see these ships as one more thing to collect dust in a hanger. They're going to be too expensive to be viable for PvP, so why give them a PvP bonus?

People already use other pirate vessels for PvP, and should the drops work as intended these should likely fall into the same price range. Granted there will be the usual initial inflated prices, but after that, since the other pirate vessels see PvP use, why wouldn't these?

Or, maybe, it actually doesn't. Maaaaybe, just MAAAAYBE you are fundamentally wrong. But what do I know, you have all the right badges of wisdom, or something.


You probably didn't read my post. I said that the closer to 0.0 the difference between missile hit and missile leaving launcher is, the better. In easier terms, it means 1 volley in space is best.

Currently, engaging at max range is stupid. You want to find the sweet spot between your missile travel time and your launcher cycle. The easiest way to do this is a simple equation. Find out your cycle time, and multiply it by the missile speed. You've found yourself your "optimal" range.

Except the problem is not the ROF, but the reload time.

I fail to see your point. Nothing will change the reload time, unless one of the devs decides that rapid launchers need change (they do), and decides to reduce reload time. And ROF certainty doesn't help reload time.

According to your 'wisdom', the Raven and Raven Navy Issue should deal the same dps. In fact, according to you - a ROF bonus is better than raw damage - so the Raven should probably perform better than the Raven Navy Issue. Let's look at the reality (T2 launchers, Faction ammo, 4x T2 BCU, V skills - no implants):

• Raven ... 837 dps (paper), 491 dps (actual)
• Raven Navy Issue ... 837 dps (paper), 547 dps (actual) - 11.4% higher

Wait... wtf? What's going on here is that rapid launchers already have an insane ROF - but a 35-second reload. So by increasing the ROF you're actually bringing the sustained dps down. And with a higher ROF, the incidence of wasted volleys increases. Unlike turrets, overheating doesn't increase damage - it increases ROF - so overheating further exacerbates the problem even further.

This is why the best (current) missile ship is the Typhoon Fleet Issue (6 launchers @ 37.5% damage = 8.25 effective), followed by the Raven Navy Issue, the Scorpion Navy Issue, Raven and Typhoon. Feel free to work the numbers out for yourself, but given the choice of a ROF bonus or damage bonus - the answer is obvious.


We begged and pleaded for months and finally got it reduced by 5 seconds with a small bump in ammunition capacity. Subsequent calls for some additional adjustments have gone unanswered...

Nobody cares!

I on the other hand care a lot. My missiles and torpedos would be all perfect as they are if some, who's name I won't tell, will make that nonsence he created go away.

That part is very easy, mark the lines in the code and press 'DEL'. All missile problems solved.

The Barghest is now zee best missle battleship in EVE.

Zee End