Player Features and Ideas Discussion

WIth these stats Barghest and Nestor are going to be best friends forever! a wannabe pirate battleship with T1 battleship dps and application. I dont think devs care about this topic anymore.

I had an opportunity to try out the new Barghest on SiSi this evening. First impressions:
• This thing is *HUGE*. 1757m on the long axis, so it easily dwarfs any other battleship (I'd estimate that it's the size of two Scorpions). It is extremely thin, so it deserves the pancake and stingray references. Did I mention how huge this is?! How can it only have 50mbit in drone bandwidth?! It takes a Gecko several seconds to clear the underside of the hull, lol...
• It's relatively fast with good acceleration. Over 1,550 m/sec with a 100MN MWD, a pair of nanos and IV skills. Warp speed sucks as it does with most battleships, but the align time is fairly decent - so there's that.
• 7 launchers on each side on the top and 7 launchers split into two rows on the underside. You can tell that like the Machariel this was designed for 8 launchers. It really needs 8 launchers... Did I mention 8 launchers? 6 launchers with a +50% bonus and another low slot would still be an ideal setup for this.
• The low signature really helps with tanking so I was able to get away with a single adaptive invulnerability and some passive shield hardeners. I think the whole advantage with this ship is the speed combined with low signature, so things like shield extenders and large core defense field extenders run contrary to the doctrine. This thing rocks the Halo implant set with a signature radius of around 285m.
• This is a rapid heavy missile platform - no doubt about it. If you need convincing, take a close look at the turrets on the original artwork from FanFest. Missile velocity is insane. I couldn't even see the missile contrails half the time. I was getting over 22,000 m/sec with IV skills and a single T2 hydraulic rig. Damage application was fairly decent with a T2 rigor, T2 hydraulic and T1 flare configuration (didn't need target painters or webs). I imagine this would be a riot with torpedoes against other battleships. Precision cruise are apparently the most advantageous weapon system to utilize on the Barghest (both for raw damage and damage application). YMMV.
• It's kind of a blue-ish black, so depending on the lighting it either looks black, dark grey or a greyish-blue. I was really hoping it would be pitch black, but I guess Mordu ships have a blue-ish tinge to them.

Cruise missiles are more common in pvp now tbh. There generally isn't a great reason to go torps.

Agree on that and battleships should really be different and had good damage since they are BATTLESHIPS

Yeah because pirate faction ships are used in pvp that often. Oh and my killboard doesnt scream high sec mission runner either Considering I usually reside in null with large alliances....Its a BS. any type of tackle with scram and web will take an already slower BS and make it go snail speed.
That is the whole purpose of tackle. Speed and agility are null and void unless you are solo or fly against morons.

So Tank and Damage are king. I expected you to have known that as a pvper, but seems most of the other people care about the 2 major points of the ship..You are magically fascinated but speed and agility and can care less that its dps is that of a garbage T1 BS. A standard raven would be a better choice to fly over this, you will also save yourself almost a bill in isk after the loss.

Where you do your missions isn't really relevant mate.. The fact is that this is a ship balanced around pvp.. Not how well it kills mission rats.

It applies dps quite fine to BS's and BC's.. With some help it can also apply dps to cruisers (And i for one don't think BS's should be able to do that but meh?) The thing people have been claiming about this being outdpsed by a raven navy is only true against cruiser sized targets and below..

Also its really ******* fast, quite tanky, easy to fit, can point you across the grid and applies dps comparably to other battleships of the class..

Next you will start telling me that the Ort is bad because its bad because its not good enough at killing interceptors... Or the Garmur is bad because it doesn't apply full damage to a succubus.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the size of the Barghest... It could really be half the size and still look relatively decent despite the 'pancake' side profile. And I'm not a fan of the tiny spikes with red lights sticking out all over the top of the hull. For a "stealth" ship it sure has a lot of appendages that don't really seem to serve any purpose except to attach a blinking light.

No. It certainly isn't a torp-platform, but limiting it to RHML is a poor choice aswell. It isn't crap with Heavies - but please, consider cruises. Atleast you then can reload to precisions and still hit futher out than 45km - and even reload back to normal ammo once that target that made you reload is gone.

With two midslots remaining after XL-SB, MWD, heavy CB and longpoint, there should be plenty of good options to fit there (like scrambler+web in general, or invuln+scram if you're the scared one) - and you could also pull a stunt like... double TP.

That aside, I'm really unhappy with the Bargh's highslot layout. Those 7 hardpoints melt just as fast as a vindis/machs highs. I don't get why nightmare and bhaal (cough) are receiving marauder turrets (which are awesome for extended overloading), while mach/vindi are stuck with the most primitive of solutions. Seeing the Bargh wandering right into that trap aswell is such a nono - pls fix. Imo it would also make sense to have the Bargh - fitted with torps - not scratch the 95% PG already. I can understand that webscram+paint+torps+Bargh's speed would make for an unfortunate and swift death of many active HACs, but atleast it should happen at all without two T2 ACRs.

Are the Mordus ships (models) available on test server are the final versions? If yes can try to make the turrets get displayed evenly symmetrically) on both sides of the hull?

I remember undocking my Charon, with a Contacted (assembled) Mach in Cargo.. I undocked INSIDE a Mach.. could barely even see the Freighter.

Ahh the good old days :)


It is a little big for my liking.. that said, you shrink it, it gets thinner.. so.. ya..