Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually, if you read my comparison, I said a Vindi WITHOUT Webs applies DPS better.

And no, my Argument is that I should be able to do damage to BATTLESHIPS without multiple webs, TP's, and all my Rigs dedicated to the task with, which you do require with Torps.

Also, your bonused point doesn't go out 200km either. But if you want to ignore a whole weapon system, then show me the other Pirate hull that only works with one half of it's grade of weapons.. Vindi is epic with Blasters, and still amazing with Rails. NM has insane damage application with Tach's, and that only goes up with Pulses. Arty and AC machs are both very common...

nightmare is trash with whatever you fit to it, and good luck with your beam laser bhaalgorn.

NM has among the best damage application in the game.
And your Bhaal should be fitting neuts and NOS.. but even if you don't Tach's and Pulses have good base tracking and damage application, far better than Torp's do.

turret tracking bonuses are not very good on ships like this, you can replicate them with a single midslot module. tank or range bonuses are much more notable. nightmare's guns are seriously not special at all, except that you can fit tachs to it (lol amarr powergrid), which are pretty decent. in pulse mode it's not really doing much more than an abaddon can, in terms of shooting people. it's main selling point I guess is that it has 2 heavy neuts, which are cool, but their range (and cap lol) constraints don't really go with the ship.

(I'm ignoring the afterburner thing because we're hurrdurring about 'application')

I do and I will repeat it over and over again until the end of time or until someone makes it happen, whatever comes first.

The Barghest will be bad until that missile nonsence goes away.

And yes I want to hurt ships with torpedos from range again, I don't care what Goonswarm or BoB or the rest of the moonpoo-sec crybabies might 'feel' to be entitled to say.

Just do not listen to them.


P.S.:

There is a reason Goonswarm doesn't partissipate in the alliance tournament, super captials have too much points for the tournament arena..

Removed an off topic post.

Assuming I haven't borked the formulas, Barghest/CNR/Typhoon spreadsheet with various rig, TP, web setups against a nanomach.

Someone needs to explain to me why torps are used in PvP over cruise missiles.

Also, can the Barghest drop the warp disrupter/scram bonus for a web range bonus? Or a TP bonus?

People prefer torps for the higher dps. They usually have support ships on standby to assist in making them hit better. Well mind you, when you actually get a missile BS in PVP. A rare event already. Also cruise do hit better by a large margin, at the same time their dps isnt too great and so, its just better to bring a gun boat.

In fact people will rather you bring a T1 gun boat long before you bring a navy missile boat. . What made the drake so popular was its amazing tank and ease to get into. When you have hundreds of people using a weapon system it will actually do enough damage to almost alpha you target anyways. With the tank of the drake, it gave logi plenty of time to rep.

It wasnt the drakes damage that had it brought on fleets. Though shortly after the nerf, the drake usage dropped to little.

Sooner or later I'm sure there will be.. Maybe Christmas.. or this time next year for the hype around Fanfest..

CCP seems to like the buzz around adding new ships.. so new Pirate lines would be good for them.. I mean even with the Nester flop, the Frig and Cruiser were a huge success.

I still have hopes Rise will come through..

If not, I can always make Voodoo dolls :p