Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To whom it may concern.

The mordu Frig looks amazing.

However the cruiser, and BS- have some very serious issues.

Having spent a long time in EFT look at both ships, I would like to make this point regarding both ships.

Lets start with the Orthrus.

Currently, it is expected to fit this ship with HMLs, or HAMs. Because the ship has no innate application bonus, I have created fits that have 5% application implants, Standard crash on, Dual T2 rigors in an attempt to fix the problem. Even considering that most of your targets will not be running an MWD, the damage application is still abysmal. Anything that is skirmished linked, or anything non linked that is cruiser and below- easily tanks the large majority of your damage. This application is so poor in fact, that fitting the Orthrus with Light missiles, no application rigs / implants / or Crash- allows for almost doubole the DPS when applied to all targets Cruiser and below.

HMLs and HAM's need work. They are sub par to any other medium weapon system currently, and fall far short of Pulse lasers, and railguns. While I realize that an entire missile rework is quite a bit to ask for I was hoping that you would make some concessions for the ship bonuses. Please consider adding a 5% application bonus to medium missiles, give the orthrus something to help apply its damage. Because in the current iteration, the LML fit is far superior to any other.

Lastly, I wanted to mention the Barghest. Currently the only viable missile battleship in game, is the cruise typhoon. Fit with dual rigors, implants, and crash- the typhoon with its native application bonus is a very real threat, and a viable ship for solo / small gang. the ONLY reason the typhoon is superior to all others, is because of the application bonus. Large missiles, like medium ones are all abysmally poor weapon systems when you compare other BS weapons. (Mega Pulse, 800MM Repeating Arty, Large Blaster) Again, even with the most attention payed to application, the Barghest falls flat on its face compared to the typhoon when it comes to applying, and doing damage.

The battleship in particular struggles the most in this respect. Please consider adding some type of innate missile application bonus for both ships. If an application bonus is not added, the Orthrus will be yet another LML ship- and the Barghest will be useless outside of rapier / huginn gangs.

Thank you for your consideration.

I find the problem with torps is more their short range, low velocity and terrible ammo size/launcher capacity/amount of reloading.

I don't know how much consideration this is given in balancing stats, but using torps, I'm reloading constantly. High tier railguns are pretty close I guess, but all the other turrets seem to just fire forever. you can't really fit any torps in your cargo, so just shrinking the charge a bit would fix the amount of reloading, and allow my raven to carry 16 different ammo varieties plus cap boosters.

I think the populace is just terrible, heavies are alright if you use their range. I think they were in the right place before the medium LR turret buff.

Here's a twist to an idea with the Mordu's Legion ships. Before anyone objects, let me just pose the question: Why can't a Pirate class have three racial bonuses? Angels get warp speed, Guristas get Hero drones and passive recharge, Blood get infinite vampires, Serpentis get 90% webs, SoE get scanning, cloak and logistics and Sansha gets Maruader-like weapon bonuses. Most of these are buried in the ship stats although the Nestor has several role bonuses. This might actually address the issues raised with respect to an absent Caldari-Minmatar class of ships, and it would also retain the existing bonuses while improving damage application. The tradeoff is the additional requirement of another set of racial skills.

Garmur
Caldari Frigate Bonus per level: 25% bonus to missile damage
Gallente Frigate Bonus per level: 10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range
Minmatar Frigate Bonus per level: 5% bonus to missile explosion velocity
Role Bonus: 200% bonus to missile velocity (50% penalty to missile flight time)

Orthrus
Caldari Cruiser Bonus per level: 20% bonus to missile damage
Gallente Cruiser Bonus per level: 10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range
Minmatar Cruiser Bonus per level: 5% bonus to missile explosion velocity
Role Bonus: 200% bonus to missile velocity (50% penalty to missile flight time)

Barghest
Caldari Battleship Bonus per level: 7.5% bonus to missile damage
Gallente Battleship Bonus per level: 10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range
Minmatar Battleship Bonus per level: 5% bonus to missile explosion velocity
Role Bonus: 200% bonus to missile velocity (50% penalty to missile flight time)

I would prefer another Pirate Faction with Minmatar/"Amarr or Caldari" requirement for Missile Application Bonus and Web instead, maybe with another Bonus to Missile reload time or Ammo Capacity, because that would form a Missile Brawler which i think its kinda missing.

drop the tackle range bonus for it

And sicne when that will be enough to kill another pirate cruiser or a hac?

I will use HAMS on mine.

And sicne when that will be enough to kill another pirate cruiser or a hac?

I will use HAMS on mine.

That depends on buffer or active fit. Most active fits I've ever made (or seen) have a pretty low EHP but very high regen rate, it's the same principle that got Dr Per so many tengu kills if you recall. Just create a scenario where incoming volley damage outright defeats reps, it's not strictly a DPS attrition case.

Also this cruiser getting 40k damage per clip? Really? I need to read the OP again because even the Cerb/Tengu only get 31k each. Tengu at least can push its damage fully OH'd downfield in 20-30 seconds.