Player Features and Ideas Discussion

whats up with that align time nerf? i don't get why this is comming.

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Die save and slow

MFG

I just asked if you were serious, not because there isn't logic. But it's the same logic used when they nerfed supers and titans and nothing about the build costs there changed. In fact, I'm not sure build costs have ever gone down. Just up i.e. tiercide. I could be wrong though.

I liked it when you said you wanted to make it better to live in null.
Then you made changes that promise to increase the cost of basically anything if I want to buy it here instead of flying to Jita whenever I want something.
GF.

I don't fly freighters or JF, probably never will, and this is bullshit.
I never asked for rigs. I vaguely remember saying it was a bad idea.

I hope people didn't want those NullSec supercap wrecking ball fleets anyway?

The proposed freighter nerf is another alteration to HiSec mining, which just helps making the future of industry in EVE even more unpredictable after the industry expansion launches:

*) NullSec cap manufacturers will only want compressed ore, which in HiSec can only be manufactured at a POS. Uncompressed minerals will only be of interest to local manufacturers.

*) The full mineral supply from reprocessed HiSec mission loot will be removed from the NullSec cap and supercap supply chain, as compressed ore cannot be made from minerals, only raw ore.

*) Cost of POS fuel is likely to increase noticeably due to everybody now wanting and being able to anchor a POS in HiSec. No way to predict if PI can increase production to compensate for increased demand, now that there is a hard cap on the amount of belt ice available for harvesting per time.

*) Changes apparently considered by CCP to limit occupation of moons by offline POSes may result in needing to always keep the compression POS online. This would incur a serious and fixed cost per month for POS fuel. For small mining ops it may be more beneficial to ignore the POS altogether and just take the price hit from selling refined minerals or raw ore to HiSec manufacturers / 'ore compression specialists'.

*) Having a POS makes you vulnerable to wardecs. These can be dodged, of course, yet this creates inefficiency due to the time wasted in moving the POS.

*) Moving uncompressed minerals - and Tritanium - was one of the few 'reasonable' uses for the full cargo capacity of a T1 freighter. The freighter nerf means that either:
- Miners are now more limited in the distance they can mine from their compression POS, reducing mobility, if the freighter is rigged for tank. Thus increasing inefficiency due to competition from other miners - and suicide gankers.
- Rigging for cargo means lower EHP and higher overall cost in case of ship loss, increasing the risk of being suicide ganked 'for the lulz'. Overall this statistically increases the cost of running a mining op, reducing profits.

*) The reliance of a compression POS means you either need to mine within a reasonable distance (in jumps) from it, or need to spend time moving the POS along with your mining op. Doing either reduces efficiency.

*) The cost of mining increases due to added consumption of mining crystals, caused by a change in hull bonuses from mining yield to cycle timing.

*) The yield from the Mackinaw is nerfed, and due to its limited ore bay size the buffed Hulk is a right bother to use for fleet mining ops when multi-boxing .

The combined effect on the mineral supply of all these changes will be ... 'interesting' to watch for sure. CCP devs never heard of compound interests...?

These nerfs are pretty ridiculous. You all use fanfest for feed back. You mentioned the rigs you should have said something of the nerf and listened to feed back. Prolly one of the poorest changes you are doing in kronos... I would assume you are adding the rigs to try and find a way to increase the use a salvage to increase the aspect of a profession of salvaging, its a poor attempt I feel.

i agree, these changes are in nobody's interest.

I love how you insist you require T2 cargo rigs. You don't just fit 3 t1's that'll push you over the edge. A

Secondly the reason we pushed for cargo to be the penalty was because why you a freighter become tanky and carry alot. If you improve its weakest ability you should nerf its strongest ability. Simple

plz add jump fuel conservation rigs and implants Fozzie come on!!

I am pretty sure you can dig up every single "buff freighter, give them rigs/modules" thread in the past 12 months and EVERY single one of them will have the "CCP could do that, but they would take something away to counter - is that what you want?"

That is not "some players, warned by handful of others". That is every single on-this-forum advocate being warned about it.
~told you so~