EVE General Discussion

…but then again, that's not what people are complaining about.

It's about the immense opportunity cost of the whole thing.

actually this is the only thread bitching about incarna on the front page


so the question to you is, why are you dredging this **** up?

Its because they have been talking about it for at least 3 years, and when it finally got implemented it didn't include most of what they talked about.



ATI users that aren't used to performance issues are called "First time ATI users".

edit * please delete, double post.

Opportunity cost.

Crucible was thrown together in a few months. Incursions was Ok. Tyrannis, Dominion and Incarna had very little Content for In-Space Features.

Since the beginning EVE Expansions have been growing and growing better each time. It is what has gotten EVE from an Indy Game to massive Content filled MMO. Around 1000 Missions, Group PVE, around 300 Ships, 7500 Star Systems, Player built Starbases and Outposts and player run Empires. EVE had none of that in the beginning. It has expanded bigger and bigger each year.

Apocrypha came and blew everyone away with Dynamic Group PvE, 2500 New Systems, New Modular Ships, New Missions and tons of Improvements. Then the expansions got worse and worse until Incarna came along and it was just a new Ship Skin, a Minmatar Station Interface and Ok looking Turrets. People were wondering what the hell happened.

The opportunity cost is what EVE would have been if Dominion was the next step above Apocrypha and so on. That combined with people begging for fixes to Blasters, Supercapitals, PoS's, Mining, Low Sec, Faction Warfare and a thousand other things that needed to be looked at or could use an overhaul and were time after time disappointed. CCP said there would be no more Apocrypha's and 18 Months before the game play was looked at in a serious way. Dev's began to shift to CCP's other incomplete titles and it looked more and more like they were abandoning EVE. Leaving it with less resources and not doing upkeep while expecting EVE Fans to pay for there other games. Walking in Stations was even developed to test out World of Darkness tech.

Eventually it just plain boiled over. If they were not going to release new content to keep things interesting and not fix the broken Content people started to wonder if this was worth $180 a year. There was Rage then Unsubs. Now CCP's thrown together Crucible in a couple of weeks as an apology they have said the next Expansion coming will be an Apocrypha.

EVE is back on the road to Expansion.

Tippa I always assumed you were more informed about game development, but apparently the respect i had for you has been misplaced.

That 1 room was not "all they had done" don't make me laugh. it was all that was ready. I was able to rip all of the bars and factional CQs from the sisi build. I posted a thread with the screen shots.

Also at fanfest they showed all of the shaders and tech needed to get it off the ground.

the hardest part of making a game is building a polished 1st level. or prototype. The rest if just building the game world. And even that was, as I stated, allready done. They released something that needed 4-6 months of extra work to have full muliplayer just because... they thought they could get away with it, or something. Read the CEO open letter to the community.

The fact is if you really think that single room was all they had done, you know nothing of game development.

Incarna as initially described (having stores, clubs/bars, reasonably involved interactions) seemed awesome.

Incarna as delivered was a box with nothing inside of it.

If CCP can deliver it's first vision at some point it would likely be wildly successful.

Ok, you need to go back and read what I actually wrote this whole time, because now you're arguing things that have never been said.

So, let's repeat:

What people are bitching about is the opportunity cost of WiS: a flubbed released of a consistently poorly handled development of a feature with no gameplay attached to it, which robbed the game of precious development resources that could instead/also have gone towards the things we've seen in this patch and in pre-tyrannis patches. All they did in that time was Incarna — and it showed — and the end result (even including the stuff that isn't ready for release) was not worth the opportunity cost of all the other features and functionality that were left by the wayside during all that time.
No. The fact is that you haven't read what I've written or you've misunderstood what the opportunity cost is.
WiS is the reason the FiS part of EVE did not get the attention it needed to not go stale. This was a direct and express choice by CCP: they focused on one thing at the cost of everything else. The opportunity of WiS came at the cost of the (many) opportunities of FiS. It is this opportunity cost that people are complaining about.

If not the opportunity cost, what do you think the bitching is all about?