Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's basically the system that's being proposed in the OP.

no plain and simple.

before the unrestricted plexs were only home to arty nados beam oracles and rail naga's there was no real fleets comps except alpha the target.

it has to be restricted otherwise there is no point in flying the 90% of battle cruisers and 99% of the command ships in this game.


but also back then there was both a major restricted and a major unrestricted so we got to see both in action. and the restricted one always had more action.

first of all thank you for including large plexes in the regular FW spawn cycle we asked for it since inferno - a really nice change.

The other two changes however i really can't support. The problem is that they most likely will make plexing more annoying without fixing anything.

If you are after LP running or hiding is still more efficient than fighting, making running or hiding more difficult does not fix the problem its just a dirty way of dealing of the symptoms of the mechanics.

CCP has a history of fixing symptoms instead of the problem, for example if you look back what happened in inferno, plex layout changes like moving the beacon closer to the warpin or the requirement to kill the rat instead of tanking it did not help at all to motivate farmers to get out the vicious circle and use pvp ships (it really is the first step, if you don't do this you have no choice but running away).



A fix of the problem would NOT be to prohibit cloaks, or block stabs. It would be to penalize running or hiding. Sounds horribly complicated right? FEAR NOT ITS THE EASIEST FIX IN THE WORLD. I am sure nobody in the forums EVER suggested timer resets as most obvious fix to the problem. Kappa

So how would a CLEAN FIX OF THE PROBLEM look you ask? There are many many variations of the timer reset or rollback proposal. Here a few examples:
- timer ticks backwards in accelerated fashion till it reaches neutral state if a player waits in the plex
- timer ticks backwards till it reaches the neutral (normal speed) state if everything left the beacon
- timer resets immediately (imagine you could spend lp on the plex structure to reset it)
- ... just a few EXAMPLES

you say, hey thats not fair since i might waste so much time of my life plexing. FEAR NOT timer length is not set in stone.
- imagine someone would reduce timer length and payouts to balance the now fixed mechanics between EXPANSIONS

you say everybody would blob and i can't solo anymore (sidenote: i solo pvp at least 90% of my gametime)
- firstly, the nature of blobs is that they a) get killed by a larger blob or b) dissolve quickly since there is no other blob around
- secondly, having a blob you still won't be able to cover whole FW space. A route through all amarr systems alone has 32+ jumps, and thats half of the warzone. (cal-gal WZ is much larger btw) How often do you think a blob would fly this route?
- thirdly, crazy concepts like patrol gangs might actually work, you could defend (selected) systems or disrupt your opponent defending systems WITHOUT TRADING TIME 1:1 WITH FARMERS
- solo farming WILL STILL PERFECTLY WORK, all you would have to do is to use a pvp fit an pick a quiet system


so what would happen after implementing the MOST OBVIOUS FIX IN EVE HISTORY you ask?
- stabs, cloaks will serve the original purpose: protecting your ship but using them for make LP won't work anymore
- plexing will be a mechanic to create confilct and you would see more fights in them
- frigs will stick to novices, destroyers to small plexes and cruisers to medium plexes
- people will plex together in great joy, celebrating the new plexing mechanics

OMG the fix is PERFECT you say, do we still need the other stuff?
- actually no, rats, artificial rules like cloak inhibitors don't matter anymore, you could just remove them or keep them... doesn't matter

but you still want to EXPLOIT A BROKEN SYSTEM TO FARM LP WITHOUT RISK OR EFFORT you say?
- no problem m8. FW covers EVERYTHING. You can fly pve missions which allow you to complete them without NPC agro, 0 risk... you can cloak any time, watch a movie etc. Best of all: it doesn't influence sov and its the perfect solo mechanic DESIGNED TO BE NO CONFLICT DRIVER

but what if this change is made and it DOESN'T WORK (fictional, highly theoretical scenario - won't happen ever)
- luckily eve has now a new 6 week deployment model so you could implement the "we will monitor the situation and tweak the system later" - inferno - CCP Soundwave - before riot - promise with minimal effort


thanks for listening and thanks for the large plex change

Nice one dude! U made me laugh several times.

+1

^^ This guy here. He's got it.


Yes please! Defend your plex or run the risk of losing all your progress, foo'.

↑ exactly that

appearently, my earlier post didn't actually post.

I am trying to learn FW. My only experiance with it consisted of fitting a coercer for orbital bombardment (months ago, for what was then new... Dust 514) and promptly getting 'dusted'.

From what I'm understanding, FW consists of keeping ships within a certain radius of a central "FW button" and earning Loyalty Points (LP) from your faction.

Please note I have have absolutely NO IDEA of FW outside what I have read in this thread, so this idea may be completely unviable.

A> Why not have the procedure that you can NOT collect LPs unless your faction has actually captured the site?

B> Your ship must stay within the 'capture radius' and FULLY DETECTABLE for a certain amount of time (5 minutes?) before it can start qualifying for LP

C> After your ship has started qualifying for the LP, it must stay within the radius and detectable to continue to qualify for more LP (10 LP / 15 seconds?)

D> When you decide to collect your LP, you proceed to the "FW button" and 'open cargo' (or some other function). A timer counts down (2 minutes?) and you receive the LP you have qualified for. Now, you must return to 'step B' if you want more LP

E> If at any time, you leave the 'capture radius' or become undetectable to the sensor maintaining that radius, you lose whatever LP you have not collected and will have to start over with 'step B' (this is, if your faction still has control of the site).

Does this sound workable to the more experianced among you?

Just posting to say that timer rollbacks are a much better and more complete solution than disabling cloaks which causes as many problems as it solves. Use the carrot instead of the stick. Make them want to stay but don't force them. Treat warping out and coaching up in the same way. This makes it more lucrative for pilots who are actually willing to fight for their LP. I and many others have suggested this in the past. Some of them are already popping up in this thread.

I am certainly not a fan of arriving in a complex to engage in honorable frigate one versus one combat only to have a handful of recons uncloak around me. So I am not unhappy with the change. But this doesn't really change that since they will just cloak up outside of the beacon's range anyway. Similarly, FW farmers will simply sit on the edge and move a few meters to cloak when I land as they always do. The only difference here is they have to move which makes my current solution to catch them (probes) doomed to failure from now on.

First off that's an excellent post Bienator.

Secondly there should be no reason for a sec loss inside a plex. Activating the gate doesn't have to make you a suspect. Just make it so there is no adjustments to your sec status when you engage in a plex. It is a huge disadvantage to wait until the pirate has dictated range and fired the first shot before I attack. FW pilots should not be penalized for defending themselves against an aggressive act. And entering a plex is an aggressive act.

(unless they are just entering to hold a nice conversation with you about your ship of choice. In that case, hi pirate how are you doing!?)

if he's a pirate then you can attack whenever. spawning and entering a plex in my system is an aggressive act, more like.