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okay. but i still feel it's better to ask for plexing fixes than ask for a mining ship of all things to be balanced around plexing meta

we have a whole new set of csms to write angry letters at

This entire idea of FW-farmers using the Prospect is ridiculous. Just for that one warp-core stab more? I'm pretty sure there aren't that many cases where a hunter can bring the 4 points needed to overcome a stability of +3. And if you suddenly remember that a covert-ops ship doesn't really need a stab (since only bad, bad pilots keep getting caught when they can dictate every engagement), you get even more ships.

Hell, if someone really is that determined to evade PVP-people, all cov-ops frigate except the Buzzard have 3 lows to taint them with stabs. Which is enough, really. The Astero can even have 4 stabs and has a drone bonus, as has the Helios.

That's two ships you can even farm offensive plexes with. The weaponless Prospect on the other hand could only do defensive plexes, which is as sensible as using a stealth bomber to mine.

Just as Highsec needs to import all those hi end minerals that are impossible to get in 0.5+

To what end? So far, no region of space is independent, all require moving of goods and trade. What good thing can come from singling out null as sole self-sufficient region?

I am a wspace resident. I currently mine gas in Ventures. This is mostly in my own system, but occasionally in nearby systems.

I don't think I will use the Prospect much.

Why? Because it does not mine gas any faster than a Venture.

Most of the time I mine gas in my own system, zipped-up. I don't need stealth. And similarly, in my own system a trip to my POS to dump gas is fast, compared to the half hour or so it takes to fill up. So, the Prospect does not do much for me there, either. Except that it is more costly. I might use it if I already had the skill, but I am certainly not going to skill up for it.

Occasionally I ninja into C5/6 to grab C320 or C540. In this case, I usually have not killed the sleepers. So I can mine for 20 minutes, maximum, before they show up and force me out of the site. 20 minutes of mining gas will fill a Venture to about half full. Even with a fleet booster, it does not fill up. Now, a covert ops cloak would definitely be nice for getting there. I might rarely undertake mining expeditions that I would not otherwise. And very rarely there is a core gas site which I can get a corp fleet to, to kill the sleepers and suck out fully. A Prospect would be better there because of the ore bay size. But again, that is very rare.

I'd like to suggest that the Prospect be made superior to the Venture in mining gas. This does not have to be a lot superior; just a little bit would do. Then I would want them, and they would add substantial value to all of my mining. I suggest adding -1% Gas Harvester duration as an Expedition Frigate Bonus per level.

Having read the thread through, I see numerous responses from wspace people who seem to feel the same.

The Prospect should be able to tank null gas cloud explosions pretty well. Ventures can do it now, if not with much margin for error, and with serious tradeoffs. (I.e.: you really want to use at least one rig slot for scanning to find the sites. Or have a scanning alt.)

The Prospect should be much better than the Venture, because it can refit via mobile depot, and has more low slots. The refit means it can fit scanning parts for scanning bonuses, and fit lots of WCS for travel. Only when you have a scanned-down gas cloud and a safe system do you refit into your mining fit.

Armor does well against thermal/em by default, and with four low slots you can have an armor repairer, a DCII, a plate, and one hardener. Rigs offer more tank. The midslots have cap rechargers to run the armor repairer cap-stable. I am estimating (playing with EFT) that an armor buffer of about 10000 EHP will be possible vs Sanshas (they do EM/Thermal, like gas clouds). It might be more depending on the hardness of the armor. The active tank will be about 70 DPS. Both numbers will be better if the ship has improved armor hardness over the Venture.

It also looks like you can make an active shield tank plus buffer, using the lows for capacitor and the mids for hardness and buffer. This does not look it will work quite as well to me, but I think it would be sufficient. It might be better depending on the shield/armor hardness.

wuld be much more fun is new t2 venture get bit better mining per hour.

insted if 100% give him 110%-125% mining bonus or some thing to make people use it more likely than venture.

i guess it would not hurt if you give him eaven 200% bonus and 20k ore cargo, so it would be actualy worth it to go into null sec/low sec to run mining in systems with no stations etc.

to make it real stelth miner!!



still looks very cool

Captain Lorth Needa - "No ship that small has a cloaking device…"

I see a lot of raging people.
I agree, CCP could make roles unique. And this plus that would be "better".

What if ccp's plan is actually to make several.

This one is cloak ore ninja.
The next one could be a beefy tanked gas miner.
The next one could be that mines ice, but refines as it mines.
With CCP creating a 'ship cclass ' it opens it up to maybe more types.

I guess that CCP did that with the noctis, but never took it further.

Hi will think your brave thats all.and thers a fine line betwine brave and stupid.but think they got it rigth on the stupid part.And in sted of "brave" you kan be smart.join a player corp with Orca boost.

A mining ship that can use a covert ops cloak sounds like a bad idea because it seems to lack parity. Why not a covert ops cloakey POS too? Why not just fix the unstated problems with mining and leave the basic ship balance in place?