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Be interesting to see when Fozzie said:

"..The Prospect is the first Expedition Frigate, a new class of ships"

So more are yet to come...interesting.

Not only that be this line:

"This team was tasked with developing new and improved technologies for resource collection in the most hazardous parts of known space, wormhole space, and beyond."

It's the "...and beyond." part that really intrigues me.

I think it would actually make more sense to make the different ores available be more distinct but with all still being required to build. That way you will have hi and losec players interacting more with nulsec not less. Interaction leads to conflict, usually through greed from seeing what the other side has that you want. The irsk/reward balance is always called at this point since hisec is more safe than losec (unless you try to move anything of value, mine without paying the heavies etc etc).but whatever happened to a balanced game? These changes may well throw the balance between hi/lo/null sec to the point that null is all that matters and that would be bad for the game in general.

Soon when a new player joins and they will be effectively told that to actually earn any real wealth in the game you have to move to someone else's space and your choices are very limited. I thought Eve was about valid and valuable choices to be made. The gradual degrading of hi and lo sec in favour of null is destroying these choices.

The bolded part is where we disagree then; I see this ship as having a much more meaningful impact than you seem to suppose.



So you're in favor of making plex farmers even more uncatchable and unkillable, and letting them operate at virtually no risk in return for high rewards?

FW farmers have a large effect on system control, but they have no skin in the game. They are not in FW to fight for one side or the other, they just go where the ISK is. FW was supposed to be about using PvE mechanics to encourage PvP encounters. Instead, FW farmers exploit the PvE mechanics to make ISK while avoiding the PvP risk, but they still alter the system status, arguably even more than any of the FW PvPers.

I wouldn't have an issue with all of this if it were possible for the FW PvPers to actually engage the farmers with a reasonable amount of effort. As it is now, it is possible to catch the farmers, but very difficult to do so, and the farmers operate at very low risk. Running in a Prospect instead of a Venture will further reduce that risk the farmers face by making it even easier for them to avoid PvP, all the while taking advantage of a system that is supposed to promote PvP.

The Prospect undermines the fundamental principle of risk vs. reward as it exists in FW. This balance is already skewed, and it most certainly did not need an even further nudge towards low risk/high reward activities.

Actually, yes. T2 frigate against frigate-sized rats. Even if the Prospect isn't as durable as say, an assault frigate, it will be enough. Look at the EHP of that ship. Fill up a few resist-holes and a few belt rats will never make a dent in its tank.

I kind of assumed that the problem was not the damage, but being tackled, as it makes you unable to actually take back stuff you mined. MWD can probably fix that, but not sure if you can fit propmod and still have enough tank, and if both will fit.

"This may as well be a case of gradually forcing players to move to null and kneel before one of the major groups as they will have no other option if they want any meaningful gameplay beyond destroying a few missions for the eventually nerfed rewards."

I respectfully disagree. Eve is a game people PAY to play, it's NOT free nor a tax that one HAS to pay. You DON'T have to buy plex if you don't want to. I could be mistaken but just cruise around highsec, there was a time that one could find a variety of toons of mixed ages in almost all systems. Nowdays it seems most toons are 1 - 3 year old, they are the ones that have not gotten bored yet with the constant nerfing of highsec. By the way having toons docked in station for weeks just skilling up is usually not a real career choice, those probably are players trying something else out and have not unsubbed because of the years they have invested in Eve.

Of course I could be totally wrong..... but if truth in advertising were followed all expansions should be promoted as the "nerf highsec gameplay, buff everything else" straight jacketed, tar babied, repetitive, nullbear overshadowed "sandbox".

Anyway I look forward to testing this new baby out. +1 to the Prospector. Some people base themselves in low sec, and low sec mining might actually be comparable to high sec mining now. :)

This also opens the door to low sec / pirate corp mining missions, which are otherwise impossible to do with a Venture (no tank or DPS against rats) or barge (big juicy target for player pirates).

Like to concept, not sure if I want to risk a ship that is millions over my venture for gas harvesting in WH's but ok. I am sure that we will be gaming its advantages for a while.

Now could we get a ship that would boost ... so I can retire my hurricane gas harvester booster. A role I am certain it was never intended for and one that I am sure is loosing me standing with my Brutor tribe for such an affront.

I await the rest of the line to see what comes and hope it is on the list.

I'm curious - What do you consider a "Real FW Type" my FW alt has quite a few losses in plexes and funnily enough, not 1 to another FW player. Only 1 of those kills was 1 on 1, the rest were to small gangs of roaming neuts looking for easy prey in plexes.

This is the nature of FW and eve as a whole really, there is nothing "fair" about eve pvp, there is nothing that says it has to be.

Maybe plex farming is too easy by fitting stabs and cloaks BUT maybe people do that because if they didn't they are fair game for every neut that enters the system. FW has less to do with Faction Warfare than it does plex farming to make isk and neutral gangs / fleets hunting for FW kills.

When I see people (plural) complaining in local because the condor they just warped in on got away because he was stabbed and how it isn't fair, I can't help but laugh - What is fair about 5 neuts landing on a frigate in a plex and killing it?

Personally, I hope this new ship gets used by every plexer and eventually the neuts that thrive on FW kills will get bored and go elsewhere.
Then and only then might FW become about FW and not neutrals killboard stats and plexing for isk.

2 Militias facing off to fight for a system would be worth being involved in.

I like the sound of this ship, I will be keen to try it out.