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Black Bart Pirate
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#61 - 2014-04-18 20:56:46 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Demeisen Atreides wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
The best part of this thread is where the guy from TEST tried to take some kind of moral highground when they are the precise and direct cause of all of BRAVE's problems up to this point. The OP is a symptom, You are part of the cause, faceless TEST diplomat.


TOPLELM88888888

Also >inb4mittaniarticlefullofspin


TMC article. Please find the "spin" to send your spergs to cry over.

http://themittani.com/news/brave-it-infrastructure-shut-down


Okay, here's how I understand it (not speaking for BRAVE, but maybe in the know a bit more than some).

In BRAVE, the "CNM", or council of newbie management (our mini CSM because we like to try democracy and such, cause why not), elections are coming up. Draleth wanted to run, apparently expecting everyone to have forgotten how much drama he caused and embrace his "contributions" (an auth system that did nothing to keep out spies, a jabber system that was continuously down, massive drama posts and an attempt to discredit basically everyone who wasn't him or his friends) to the alliance. However (again, what I heard as of today), basically Draleth was told that he wasn't part of the "accepted candidate list" for the CNM for whatever reason. Considering that last time he didn't get his way with leadership he basically rage quit his leadership position (leading him here in the first place lol), this is more or less what I expected out of him.

"Today's sudden shutdown is likely attributed to a perceived failure on the part of of BRAVE's leadership to act reasonably and in a cooperative manner. Sources describe their behavior instead as "lording their positions over the membership and literally laughing in their faces when confronted with issues."

The "sources" is most likely... Draleth, who was well known for being one of the most aloof, unapproachable, and haughty members of leadership. Also, he basically singlehandedly prevented cooperation within BRAVE leadership until he stepped down, and after he stepped down HERO was able to organize and strike a deal that has lead to a large gain in SOV systems.

"According to Draleth, Matias replied that BRAVE's experiment in nullsec sov warfare took precedent over "leadership dysfunctionality" and that leaders within BRAVE will need to overcome their differences for the benefit of the alliance."

I don't really know if this is spin or not, but basically it reinforces the idea that Draleth refused to cooperate and overcome differences, as any leadership group has to, because... reasons?

"Despite stepping down amidst a strained relationship with BRAVE's leadership several weeks ago,"

I think this needs a bit more info. Basically, Draleth rage quit his leadership position because the rest of the BRAVE leadership refused to let him and his 2 friends create a "triumvirate" that would give them near total control of BRAVE. This, combined with the removal of his director roles (thank god for that, he could have actually done damage instead of inconveniencing all of us for ~45 minutes), most likely lead to a very stupid and ill-planned departure from the exact positions he wanted himself in. When he realized his mistake, he tried to worm his way back into leadership. After learning that he wouldn't be allowed back in (probably due to the previous drama) the events of today happened.

TL:DR, u spin me right round baby right round
Menelaus Hawthorne
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#62 - 2014-04-18 21:00:31 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Demeisen Atreides wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
The best part of this thread is where the guy from TEST tried to take some kind of moral highground when they are the precise and direct cause of all of BRAVE's problems up to this point. The OP is a symptom, You are part of the cause, faceless TEST diplomat.


TOPLELM88888888

Also >inb4mittaniarticlefullofspin


TMC article. Please find the "spin" to send your spergs to cry over.

http://themittani.com/news/brave-it-infrastructure-shut-down

This one isn't an Angry Mustache article. For context, Draleth is the "diplo" he confirmed his stories with before publishing.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#63 - 2014-04-18 21:19:33 UTC
Black Bart Pirate wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Demeisen Atreides wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
The best part of this thread is where the guy from TEST tried to take some kind of moral highground when they are the precise and direct cause of all of BRAVE's problems up to this point. The OP is a symptom, You are part of the cause, faceless TEST diplomat.


TOPLELM88888888

Also >inb4mittaniarticlefullofspin


TMC article. Please find the "spin" to send your spergs to cry over.

http://themittani.com/news/brave-it-infrastructure-shut-down


Okay, here's how I understand it (not speaking for BRAVE, but maybe in the know a bit more than some).

In BRAVE, the "CNM", or council of newbie management (our mini CSM because we like to try democracy and such, cause why not), elections are coming up. Draleth wanted to run, apparently expecting everyone to have forgotten how much drama he caused and embrace his "contributions" (an auth system that did nothing to keep out spies, a jabber system that was continuously down, massive drama posts and an attempt to discredit basically everyone who wasn't him or his friends) to the alliance. However (again, what I heard as of today), basically Draleth was told that he wasn't part of the "accepted candidate list" for the CNM for whatever reason. Considering that last time he didn't get his way with leadership he basically rage quit his leadership position (leading him here in the first place lol), this is more or less what I expected out of him.

"Today's sudden shutdown is likely attributed to a perceived failure on the part of of BRAVE's leadership to act reasonably and in a cooperative manner. Sources describe their behavior instead as "lording their positions over the membership and literally laughing in their faces when confronted with issues."

The "sources" is most likely... Draleth, who was well known for being one of the most aloof, unapproachable, and haughty members of leadership. Also, he basically singlehandedly prevented cooperation within BRAVE leadership until he stepped down, and after he stepped down HERO was able to organize and strike a deal that has lead to a large gain in SOV systems.

"According to Draleth, Matias replied that BRAVE's experiment in nullsec sov warfare took precedent over "leadership dysfunctionality" and that leaders within BRAVE will need to overcome their differences for the benefit of the alliance."

I don't really know if this is spin or not, but basically it reinforces the idea that Draleth refused to cooperate and overcome differences, as any leadership group has to, because... reasons?

"Despite stepping down amidst a strained relationship with BRAVE's leadership several weeks ago,"

I think this needs a bit more info. Basically, Draleth rage quit his leadership position because the rest of the BRAVE leadership refused to let him and his 2 friends create a "triumvirate" that would give them near total control of BRAVE. This, combined with the removal of his director roles (thank god for that, he could have actually done damage instead of inconveniencing all of us for ~45 minutes), most likely lead to a very stupid and ill-planned departure from the exact positions he wanted himself in. When he realized his mistake, he tried to worm his way back into leadership. After learning that he wouldn't be allowed back in (probably due to the previous drama) the events of today happened.

TL:DR, u spin me right round baby right round




Pretty much this. I always have to roll my eyes when I read "sources say...etc." What sources? Who? Why is the situation being portrayed more as a "BNI leadership failure" than a drama queen throwing a hissy fit?
Tosan Ijonen
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#64 - 2014-04-18 21:41:07 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
(...) Why is the situation being portrayed more as a "BNI leadership failure" than a drama queen throwing a hissy fit?


Because narrative.
Faceless Enemy
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-04-18 22:01:12 UTC
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#66 - 2014-04-18 23:20:42 UTC
Black Bart Pirate wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Demeisen Atreides wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
The best part of this thread is where the guy from TEST tried to take some kind of moral highground when they are the precise and direct cause of all of BRAVE's problems up to this point. The OP is a symptom, You are part of the cause, faceless TEST diplomat.


TOPLELM88888888

Also >inb4mittaniarticlefullofspin


TMC article. Please find the "spin" to send your spergs to cry over.

http://themittani.com/news/brave-it-infrastructure-shut-down


Okay, here's how I understand it (not speaking for BRAVE, but maybe in the know a bit more than some).

In BRAVE, the "CNM", or council of newbie management (our mini CSM because we like to try democracy and such, cause why not), elections are coming up. Draleth wanted to run, apparently expecting everyone to have forgotten how much drama he caused and embrace his "contributions" (an auth system that did nothing to keep out spies, a jabber system that was continuously down, massive drama posts and an attempt to discredit basically everyone who wasn't him or his friends) to the alliance. However (again, what I heard as of today), basically Draleth was told that he wasn't part of the "accepted candidate list" for the CNM for whatever reason. Considering that last time he didn't get his way with leadership he basically rage quit his leadership position (leading him here in the first place lol), this is more or less what I expected out of him.

"Today's sudden shutdown is likely attributed to a perceived failure on the part of of BRAVE's leadership to act reasonably and in a cooperative manner. Sources describe their behavior instead as "lording their positions over the membership and literally laughing in their faces when confronted with issues."

The "sources" is most likely... Draleth, who was well known for being one of the most aloof, unapproachable, and haughty members of leadership. Also, he basically singlehandedly prevented cooperation within BRAVE leadership until he stepped down, and after he stepped down HERO was able to organize and strike a deal that has lead to a large gain in SOV systems.

"According to Draleth, Matias replied that BRAVE's experiment in nullsec sov warfare took precedent over "leadership dysfunctionality" and that leaders within BRAVE will need to overcome their differences for the benefit of the alliance."

I don't really know if this is spin or not, but basically it reinforces the idea that Draleth refused to cooperate and overcome differences, as any leadership group has to, because... reasons?

"Despite stepping down amidst a strained relationship with BRAVE's leadership several weeks ago,"

I think this needs a bit more info. Basically, Draleth rage quit his leadership position because the rest of the BRAVE leadership refused to let him and his 2 friends create a "triumvirate" that would give them near total control of BRAVE. This, combined with the removal of his director roles (thank god for that, he could have actually done damage instead of inconveniencing all of us for ~45 minutes), most likely lead to a very stupid and ill-planned departure from the exact positions he wanted himself in. When he realized his mistake, he tried to worm his way back into leadership. After learning that he wouldn't be allowed back in (probably due to the previous drama) the events of today happened.

TL:DR, u spin me right round baby right round



Very nice piece!

It perfectly describes the situation.

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#67 - 2014-04-19 00:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lemming
ZheoTheThird wrote:
As a TEST Diplomat, I am severely disappointed, and I thought better of you. You, the person always preaching classiness and tolerance going rogue in one of the most childish ways possible - I have to say, I'm not really surprised. Instead of making a quiet leave and respecting your peers in the coalition, you decided to hijack the services and now release APIs, it doesn't get much worse than that. In the words of the wise wrik hoover - u ded 2 me. Don't let the door hit you on the way out


If he shouldn't have access any more and had to bypass any form of security, its called hacking. Blink Even if what he got were cup cake recipes. If it was my server, CCP was the last thing he would have to worry about.
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-04-19 00:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Coffee Rocks
Black Bart Pirate wrote:


Okay, here's how I understand it (not speaking for BRAVE, but maybe in the know a bit more than some).

In BRAVE, the "CNM", or council of newbie management (our mini CSM because we like to try democracy and such, cause why not), elections are coming up. Draleth wanted to run, apparently expecting everyone to have forgotten how much drama he caused and embrace his "contributions" (an auth system that did nothing to keep out spies, a jabber system that was continuously down, massive drama posts and an attempt to discredit basically everyone who wasn't him or his friends) to the alliance. However (again, what I heard as of today), basically Draleth was told that he wasn't part of the "accepted candidate list" for the CNM for whatever reason. Considering that last time he didn't get his way with leadership he basically rage quit his leadership position (leading him here in the first place lol), this is more or less what I expected out of him.

"Today's sudden shutdown is likely attributed to a perceived failure on the part of of BRAVE's leadership to act reasonably and in a cooperative manner. Sources describe their behavior instead as "lording their positions over the membership and literally laughing in their faces when confronted with issues."

The "sources" is most likely... Draleth, who was well known for being one of the most aloof, unapproachable, and haughty members of leadership. Also, he basically singlehandedly prevented cooperation within BRAVE leadership until he stepped down, and after he stepped down HERO was able to organize and strike a deal that has lead to a large gain in SOV systems.

"According to Draleth, Matias replied that BRAVE's experiment in nullsec sov warfare took precedent over "leadership dysfunctionality" and that leaders within BRAVE will need to overcome their differences for the benefit of the alliance."

I don't really know if this is spin or not, but basically it reinforces the idea that Draleth refused to cooperate and overcome differences, as any leadership group has to, because... reasons?

"Despite stepping down amidst a strained relationship with BRAVE's leadership several weeks ago,"

I think this needs a bit more info. Basically, Draleth rage quit his leadership position because the rest of the BRAVE leadership refused to let him and his 2 friends create a "triumvirate" that would give them near total control of BRAVE. This, combined with the removal of his director roles (thank god for that, he could have actually done damage instead of inconveniencing all of us for ~45 minutes), most likely lead to a very stupid and ill-planned departure from the exact positions he wanted himself in. When he realized his mistake, he tried to worm his way back into leadership. After learning that he wouldn't be allowed back in (probably due to the previous drama) the events of today happened.

TL:DR, u spin me right round baby right round




Well, I was going to engage this thread for a very succinct, knowledgeable post regarding the how and why Draleth did this.... but, well.... I can't sum it up any better than Bart has. Truly, an incredibly horrible thing to do to a newbie organization. He/she/it should be ashamed of himself/herself/itself.

All I can add is that I am terribly saddened by all this. I mean.... Draleth, gone? What will do for our daily dose of drama?!?

Also: Can't wait for the TMC spin on this lol.

Reality: "A leader in charge of Brave IT threw an epic tantrum and decided to spit in the soup on his way out."
TMC Article: "TOTALLY A GOON SPAI FOR REALZ! BRAVE FAILSCADING!"

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Faceless Enemy
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-04-19 00:19:31 UTC
dear losers in this thread
I am not a draleth
Meirantean
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2014-04-19 00:43:45 UTC
Now I feel bad for endlessly defending Draleth. le sigh.

Faceless Enemy wrote:
dear losers in this thread
I am not a draleth


For what it's worth your character was created 6 minutes after Draleth's original resignation post.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/21sleo/good_night_and_good_luck/

http://imgur.com/WihScyl
The Hattori Hanzo
#71 - 2014-04-19 00:55:29 UTC
Meirantean wrote:
Now I feel bad for endlessly defending Draleth. le sigh.

Faceless Enemy wrote:
dear losers in this thread
I am not a draleth


For what it's worth your character was created 6 minutes after Draleth's original resignation post.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/21sleo/good_night_and_good_luck/

http://imgur.com/WihScyl

Lol.
Nac Iron
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#72 - 2014-04-19 01:03:23 UTC
Quiet FunnyBig smileLol
Feser One
Forge Heavy Shipyards
#73 - 2014-04-19 01:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Feser One
Cool
Watermelon Bandido
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#74 - 2014-04-19 01:46:57 UTC
Meirantean wrote:
Now I feel bad for endlessly defending Draleth. le sigh.

Faceless Enemy wrote:
dear losers in this thread
I am not a draleth


For what it's worth your character was created 6 minutes after Draleth's original resignation post.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/21sleo/good_night_and_good_luck/

http://imgur.com/WihScyl





Ha ha
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#75 - 2014-04-19 04:28:35 UTC
GUYS THERE ARE GOONS IN THIS THREAD.

QUIT BEING PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS EACH OTHER AND DIRECT YOUR HATE TOWARDS THE WANNA BE MITTANIS.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

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Jallukola
#76 - 2014-04-19 07:46:33 UTC
"Malware" lol.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!
Tesco Ergo Sum
#77 - 2014-04-19 08:53:17 UTC
Chribba sends his regards...

Hope I got that right!

It's about as accurate as OP plus the spinners.
Amarr Reclaime
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-04-19 13:49:55 UTC
damn there goes everything...
Sadleric
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-04-19 22:02:56 UTC
I actually logged in to my main for this. Huh.

Just keep rolling bitches in Catch. **** happens, fun still happens regardless, all is well with our spaceship corner of the internet.
Sadleric
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-04-19 22:04:44 UTC
Oh look, someone got mad and posted ~important sensitive internet information~. Welcome to EvE Cool