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Caldari Navy Manhunt - Event Details, Prize Breakdown & Claim Criteria

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#221 - 2014-04-16 20:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Todays manhunt headlines!

Dragonaurs Saara Humo and Tuohmirasen Oittakko slain at Mastakomon <- Link fixed

This time they had deployed 2 Chimeras, repping each other and their escort. This meant that people had to wait till enough firepower was in the system before having a chance to take m down.
Of special note is that this time, they didn't need to be probed out, the Provist Dragonaur task force was just hanging next to a gate, making them easy to find.

The PLEX rewards also got shared around, no dominating group, in fact, looking at Killmails, the largest groups were just individuals from various corps being there & shooting.

Chaotic moment of the day was the smartbombing Apocalypse, who fired his smarties in the middle of a capsuleer fleet, in an attempt to get the pod from Saara Humo.
Despite causing massive collateral damage (dozens got caught in the blastwave) he failed to kill the pod, as it was killed moments before by someone else.

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CCP Falcon
#222 - 2014-04-16 22:12:25 UTC
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.


Agreed completely, the metrics we're collecting show that on average the attendance at the lowsec events is almost double.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#223 - 2014-04-16 22:28:48 UTC
Now, if I could just get one of these to pop up when I'm not at work. I have smartbombs and want to try my luck at getting some PLEX. Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#224 - 2014-04-16 22:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Lejandra Sikestor wrote:


And if the ship was completely absent from the killmail? This char did at least 100k damage in a Fleet Typhoon to Uehuma Inikias (enough to get the top battleship prize), but for some reason the killmail didnt even show me shooting it. Can support this with logs, and I'm sure the actor flying the Chimera can confirm this as well.



Quote:
Elise Randolph - Nobody in PL gives a **** about the PLEX,

Sorry Elise, seems there are couple from PL who would beg to differ on this point.
Or is my point of - PL will take it to ensure no-one else can, closer to the truth

Quote:
Lucas Quaan; So you're saying there were even more pilots who came to this event in total, say 1500? Got it. That's certainly more than made it to the high-sec round before that one was over. Sounds like a pretty good turnout to me
English 101 and simple math.
Read what is written, do not try to read something that is not on the page, you are less likely to appear unintelligent and won't give others a headache trying to understand what your responses..

1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#225 - 2014-04-16 23:00:59 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Lejandra Sikestor wrote:


And if the ship was completely absent from the killmail? This char did at least 100k damage in a Fleet Typhoon to Uehuma Inikias (enough to get the top battleship prize), but for some reason the killmail didnt even show me shooting it. Can support this with logs, and I'm sure the actor flying the Chimera can confirm this as well.



Quote:
Elise Randolph - Nobody in PL gives a **** about the PLEX,

Sorry Elise, seems there are couple from PL who would beg to differ on this point.
Or is my point of - PL will take it to ensure no-one else can, closer to the truth

Quote:
Lucas Quaan; So you're saying there were even more pilots who came to this event in total, say 1500? Got it. That's certainly more than made it to the high-sec round before that one was over. Sounds like a pretty good turnout to me
English 101 and simple math.
Read what is written, do not try to read something that is not on the page, you are less likely to appear unintelligent and won't give others a headache trying to understand what your responses..

1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.


In America, we call it "common core" education. -_-

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#226 - 2014-04-17 00:21:23 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.


Agreed completely, the metrics we're collecting show that on average the attendance at the lowsec events is almost double.



Curious about these metrics and your "almost double" comment - almost double on what.
Almost double is close enough to CCP Rise's -"PLenty".
Statistics / Metrics - Used to find information relating to specific requirements. Used primarily to show only information requested and can be biased by leaving out relevant questions during the information gathering process.

Get some real information about the event;
Ship Types
Corp and Alliance
Length of time in system
Total pilots in system.
Total pilots vs Total ships destroyed.

Oh wait, all this information is freely available to anyone who cares to look for it. Sorry but unless you are going to fudge the numbers using "metrics". A little over 1000 was system peak with 600+ kills in a 15 min period - you had around 1000 people attend the event.
400 of them actually got to participate in the event for more than 15 mins.
200+ of those consisted of 2 fleets from major nulsec alliances.

Google is a wealth of information. Eve is just over 10 years old and the amount of 3rd party applications available is great. You can find accurate information on everything, from how much a rifter costs, to how many pilots were in a system at any given time and how many ships were destroyed in the same time period.

**Many of those in attendance appear on killboards multiple times and 1 App show just under 1000 jumps (entering and leaving the system) in the time period.
Could it be there were actually less than 1000 in attendance and many pilots appearing multilpe times on killboards bolstered numbers.

1 pilot - loss, Rifter - 1 min 12 seconds later, loss Rookie ship - 35 seconds later, loss Capsule.




My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#227 - 2014-04-17 06:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Elise Randolph
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Quote:
Elise Randolph - Nobody in PL gives a **** about the PLEX,

Sorry Elise, seems there are couple from PL who would beg to differ on this point.
Or is my point of - PL will take it to ensure no-one else can, closer to the truth


For the last low-sec even there were two caps. The highest DPS battlecruiser on one of them was a damnation that did 0.0 damage with a civilian blaster. The other one was never even shot by the damnation (whoops). If the priority was to win the PLEX, I think we'd have come up with a better fleet setup to do it, or at least put effort into actually shooting it with our whore-gun only Damnation.

~

Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-04-17 06:49:13 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
[quote=Lejandra Sikestor]
1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.

Schools here teach critical thinking too.
If you had a high turn-over (since 600 died) and a top of 1000 people in the system, it is safe to assume a part of these 600 participated (and died) before the local hit 1000, hence impying that more than 1000 people were participating. Not to mention people who joined around the end, or came in and left.

Now if you're unhappy with the fact that participating to an event in lowsec doesnt guarantee to be there for the full length and to not get killed, I'm afraid you dont really understand what lowsec is.

But hey, you were believing that a highsec DPS race was more interesting to most people than a lowsec brawl, I'm not holding you to have a lot of common sense.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#229 - 2014-04-17 08:41:30 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Quote:
Elise Randolph - Nobody in PL gives a **** about the PLEX,

Sorry Elise, seems there are couple from PL who would beg to differ on this point.
Or is my point of - PL will take it to ensure no-one else can, closer to the truth


For the last low-sec even there were two caps. The highest DPS battlecruiser on one of them was a damnation that did 0.0 damage with a civilian blaster. The other one was never even shot by the damnation (whoops). If the priority was to win the PLEX, I think we'd have come up with a better fleet setup to do it, or at least put effort into actually shooting it with our *****-gun only Damnation.

You seem to have not read the post my post related to.. It was from a PL member (who don't care about plex) trying to get what he thought should be HIS plex reward from the event.
But hey, whatever.. You said PL don't care about the plex, a post from another PL member says otherwise.. No biggy.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#230 - 2014-04-17 08:57:53 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
[quote=Lejandra Sikestor]
1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.

Schools here teach critical thinking too.
If you had a high turn-over (since 600 died) and a top of 1000 people in the system, it is safe to assume a part of these 600 participated (and died) before the local hit 1000, hence impying that more than 1000 people were participating. Not to mention people who joined around the end, or came in and left.

Now if you're unhappy with the fact that participating to an event in lowsec doesnt guarantee to be there for the full length and to not get killed, I'm afraid you dont really understand what lowsec is.

But hey, you were believing that a highsec DPS race was more interesting to most people than a lowsec brawl, I'm not holding you to have a lot of common sense.

System capped out at around 1000.
Critical thinking?? Maybe they should teach logical thinking. If only 1000 people entered the system it would be IMPOSSIBLE for more than that to have participated.
Yes all 600 of those killed during the event participated (if you call getting killed on a gate as you enter the event system, participation) - for between 45 seconds and 15 mins.

Logical explanation for the illogical thinker - you as a member of a PL fleet get a ping about a ratting super. The fleet jumps into their NaPocs (eg) and depart. You have 5 gates to go through before reaching the system with the ratting super. You lose your napoc and are podded by a gate camp as you jump into the system the super is ratting in.. Did you participate in the event - or - did you make it TO the event and were not able to participate because someone killed you as soon as you arrived.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Lucas Quaan
Goryn Clade
#231 - 2014-04-17 09:22:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Quaan
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
So you're saying there were even more pilots who came to this event in total, say 1500? Got it. That's certainly more than made it to the high-sec round before that one was over. Sounds like a pretty good turnout to me
English 101 and simple math.
Read what is written, do not try to read something that is not on the page, you are less likely to appear unintelligent and won't give others a headache trying to understand what your responses..

1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.

So you are saying 1000 ppl jumped in at once and then the gates closed? Have you any idea how these things even work or are you just trying to keep your sinking argument afloat while:

CCP Falcon wrote:
Agreed completely, the metrics we're collecting show that on average the attendance at the lowsec events is almost double.
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
#232 - 2014-04-17 09:27:34 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

System capped out at around 1000.
Critical thinking?? Maybe they should teach logical thinking. If only 1000 people entered the system it would be IMPOSSIBLE for more than that to have participated.


The anger that manifests in your posting may not contribute well to getting your point across, but I'll respond anyway.

System capped at around 1000. This means that during this time, there may have been pilots killed and/or left the system voluntarily.

600 pilots were killed during this event. It is reasonable to assume that when the peak was reached, some of those 600 had already been killed.

Some pilots also log off, crash or leave the system. Those pilots are not necessarily counted in the peak number of capsuleers in system.

To put it in another way, if a bus can hold 100 people, is it reasonable to assume that only 100 people have traveled on that bus, or is it more reasonable to assume that since people get on or off the bus at different stops, the total amount of people that have traveled on the bus is more than the peak number of passengers?

flakeys
Doomheim
#233 - 2014-04-17 09:56:23 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.

System peaked at just over 1000 - killboards updated to over 600 confirmed kills (in less than 15 mins) - average in space for the event was nowhere near 1000.
And certainly not 1000 pilots in system for 1 hour, unless you count wrecks in the total as pilots.


Look at numbers between the last few "events" - for this, numbers have declined, greatly.
Previous events saw an across the board mix of ships of all classes, the primary ships in this event, T1 frigate or destroyer, with a smattering of T2 hulls.


Out of curiosity, are any of the remaining portions of this even likely to be in empire space or is it a better option to just stop watching twitter now and forget it. Really not worth getting up at 4am to further pad some nulbears killboard..

Event orgainsers; I think you have seen lowsec events are little more than a chance for killmails for nulbears, so unless your plan is to prop up nulsec killboards it might be time to take another tack.



For your info the events in low-sec also provide a playground for those in faction warfare or for those pirates with a bad sec standing.I'm sorry not everything evolves around high-sec people and that also the null-sec and low-sec players get a chance to enjoy an event.

It's quite simple , you can attend JUST the high-sec 'boring as hell' event or you can join the low-sec 'omg what a clusterfuck this is' event.CCP has choosen to cater to all players by choosing both low-sec and high-sec so stop complaining and just go to the event of your choice .I went to the low-sec one twice and got killed in a blink but had a load of fun doing so even if i lost a few cheap sniping ships and a 100 m pod .I attended to the first high-sec one , lost nothing but DAMN that was some boring stuff , so i choose not to attend to the high-sec one instead of 'complaining about the high-sec event' .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#234 - 2014-04-17 10:18:23 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
[quote=Lejandra Sikestor]
1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.

Schools here teach critical thinking too.
If you had a high turn-over (since 600 died) and a top of 1000 people in the system, it is safe to assume a part of these 600 participated (and died) before the local hit 1000, hence impying that more than 1000 people were participating. Not to mention people who joined around the end, or came in and left.

Now if you're unhappy with the fact that participating to an event in lowsec doesnt guarantee to be there for the full length and to not get killed, I'm afraid you dont really understand what lowsec is.

But hey, you were believing that a highsec DPS race was more interesting to most people than a lowsec brawl, I'm not holding you to have a lot of common sense.

System capped out at around 1000.
Critical thinking?? Maybe they should teach logical thinking. If only 1000 people entered the system it would be IMPOSSIBLE for more than that to have participated.
Yes all 600 of those killed during the event participated (if you call getting killed on a gate as you enter the event system, participation) - for between 45 seconds and 15 mins.

Logical explanation for the illogical thinker - you as a member of a PL fleet get a ping about a ratting super. The fleet jumps into their NaPocs (eg) and depart. You have 5 gates to go through before reaching the system with the ratting super. You lose your napoc and are podded by a gate camp as you jump into the system the super is ratting in.. Did you participate in the event - or - did you make it TO the event and were not able to participate because someone killed you as soon as you arrived.

800 get in the system. 200 die and get podded, or run away. 400 more people enter system. The local is at 1000, but 1200 people participated.

Too logical for you, shitbrain?
Aliventi
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#235 - 2014-04-17 15:50:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.


Agreed completely, the metrics we're collecting show that on average the attendance at the lowsec events is almost double.


So when do we collect metrics on nullsec? Twisted
alphastarpilot
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#236 - 2014-04-17 19:25:34 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
[quote=Lejandra Sikestor]
1000 maximum in system (for the 1st 15 mins) minus 600 killed equals 400.
400 give or take a few is the number in system for more than the 1st 15 mins. Or - the duration of the event.

How anybody could take 1000 minus 600 and get 1500 is beyond comprehension. I blame the schools, teachers must not be as bright as they were 40 years ago.

Schools here teach critical thinking too.
If you had a high turn-over (since 600 died) and a top of 1000 people in the system, it is safe to assume a part of these 600 participated (and died) before the local hit 1000, hence impying that more than 1000 people were participating. Not to mention people who joined around the end, or came in and left.

Now if you're unhappy with the fact that participating to an event in lowsec doesnt guarantee to be there for the full length and to not get killed, I'm afraid you dont really understand what lowsec is.

But hey, you were believing that a highsec DPS race was more interesting to most people than a lowsec brawl, I'm not holding you to have a lot of common sense.

System capped out at around 1000.
Critical thinking?? Maybe they should teach logical thinking. If only 1000 people entered the system it would be IMPOSSIBLE for more than that to have participated.
Yes all 600 of those killed during the event participated (if you call getting killed on a gate as you enter the event system, participation) - for between 45 seconds and 15 mins.

Logical explanation for the illogical thinker - you as a member of a PL fleet get a ping about a ratting super. The fleet jumps into their NaPocs (eg) and depart. You have 5 gates to go through before reaching the system with the ratting super. You lose your napoc and are podded by a gate camp as you jump into the system the super is ratting in.. Did you participate in the event - or - did you make it TO the event and were not able to participate because someone killed you as soon as you arrived.

800 get in the system. 200 die and get podded, or run away. 400 more people enter system. The local is at 1000, but 1200 people participated.

Too logical for you, shitbrain?



What
A
Dunk
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#237 - 2014-04-17 20:22:59 UTC
For me, at present the issue is this:

I'm glad that there are US TZ-accessible events that aren't necessarily going to be huge ordeals like CP, the Syndicate explosion event, etc.

The flipside is, though, that lowsec events are basically dominated by blocs or major organizations. While a plucky pilot can possibly squeeze in, the majority of it amounts to kill-farming. That, in combination with the event basically being shoot-the-PLEX-pinata, somewhat turns me off.

But then, we haven't had a well-run, creative, not-just-shooting-the-pinata event in a while. :(

It's unfortunate, but I get the impression that the guys at CCP who'd love to run more events have their hands tied and are being nudged toward dealing with other stuff. :/

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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2014-04-17 20:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Well, fkkkkk. Landed hits on both pods, with an alpha of 650, which normally 1 shots pods. Neither died.
Memsi Craft
Periphery Bound
New Signature
#239 - 2014-04-17 21:16:46 UTC
I decided to bring my Vargur to todays event, figuring that if I'm going to lose a marauder this would be the way to do it. I was so sad to be flying in TIDI for the majority of the event, and landed on location just before one of the dreads popped. I quickly started applying damage to the second dread, hoping my autocannons could make up for the time I had missed.

Once the Kitchen Sink Blob had taken out the first dread, the second dread followed in quick succession. I couldn't wait to see the killmail, even if I knew I wouldn't be close to top damage.

The top Battleship had almost 6 times my damage....

...but wait o.O?

The top Battleship was also highest damage, and (as I quickly checked the forums to confirm xD) one pilot could only win one prize!

As I carefully scan through the list of top damage I eventually fall on my Vargur, 41st "highest" in damage, with not another battleship in between!

I couldn't believe my eyes (and probably won't until I see the plex) but there it was, and my Corp's comms light up with congratz and the obligatory "you splittin' that, right?"

Thank you guys so much for putting on these events this week, and for anyone on the fence about joining in, JUST DO IT! Even if you don't win a prize it is a lot of fun!

https://zkillboard.com/detail/38250169/
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#240 - 2014-04-17 22:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Congrats Memsi Craft Big smile Shows it pays off to show up & shoot things, even when you're late! Glad to ehar you had a good time!

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