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Dev Blog: Giving Drones an Assist

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Methonash Qorranto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#721 - 2014-04-03 21:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Methonash Qorranto
Erasmus Phoenix wrote:
Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills?


I don't have every t2 racial drone skill injected/trained yet. Never really saw the need to, as I PVE with hob2's and PVP with warrior2's.

Sue me!
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#722 - 2014-04-03 21:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Methonash Qorranto wrote:
Erasmus Phoenix wrote:
Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills?


I don't have every t2 racial drone skill injected/trained yet. Never really saw the need to, as I PVE with hob2's and PVP with warrior2's.

Sue me!
Same here, but getting those last 2, or 3 in my case, shouldn't be that onerous.

Edit: *Bows head in shame for allowing that oversight to remain on my skill sheet this long.
Methonash Qorranto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#723 - 2014-04-03 21:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Methonash Qorranto
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Same here, but getting those last 2, or 3 in my case, shouldn't be that onerous.

Edit: *Bows head in shame for allowing that oversight to remain on my skill sheet this long.


No, Sir! Own those "mistakes" and wear your lack-of-injected/trained-skills as a badge of honor! >:O
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#724 - 2014-04-03 22:15:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Icylce wrote:
It does not mean u dont loose time if u choose to do so. One does not rule out the other.

What rules out the loss of time is the very simple fact that you didn't lose anything in the process. Again: someone else's gain is not your loss.

it is in a zero-sum game.

eve is a zero-sum game.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#725 - 2014-04-03 23:05:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Icylce wrote:
It does not mean u dont loose time if u choose to do so. One does not rule out the other.

What rules out the loss of time is the very simple fact that you didn't lose anything in the process. Again: someone else's gain is not your loss.


Personally I think the "my SP beats your SP" minigame is a bit silly and who cares if you have redundant training with both scout and combat to V.


However I must agree with the original comments here.

If you trained in real life every week night for a year to qualify for a payrise and then the boss a few weeks after you get your payrise decides to give it to everyone regardless of training you will be dissed. Rightly so because you did lose something, all your evenings for a year.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#726 - 2014-04-03 23:21:15 UTC
My Two cents on the Drone Spectrum (regarding light, med and heavy drones)

Tippia has it on the nose. If I want speed, I'll (still) go Minmatar drone, if I want DPS, I'll (still) go Gallente. Caldari and Amarr don't offer anything for me.

I think the change should be to have each drone operate the same way the faction doctrine operates:

Minmatar = Either great tracking/great falloff and great speed OR Good Range and Massive Alpha

Gallente = High DPS, moderate speed and great tracking at short range

Caldari = Long range, Decent Tank and Moderate Damage OR almost-high DPS, moderates speed and OK-ish Tracking at short range

Amarr = Long Range, Decent Tank and High Damage at a wide variety of ranges.

In the case of drones, make selection based on what you need the drone to do and how you can leverage the drone strengths vs. your intended targets' weaknesses.

As an example, make Caldari Drones "keep at range" and shoot from a greater distance. This would make them much more smart bomb proof, but at the same time if the target ship stops, so do the Drones.

Perhaps a similar mechanic with Minmatar drones, except they would orbit at a much greater range and every 8-10 seconds your target gets a huge Alpha shot.

Instead of putting all of the drones on a single spectrum, make a bunch of spectrums and spread the drones over all of them.

Make me WANT to choose an Amarr Drone over a Minmatar drone because of what the Amarr drone brings to the fight that the Minmatar can't!

Ced

Cedric
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#727 - 2014-04-04 00:36:35 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
If you trained in real life every week night for a year to qualify for a payrise and then the boss a few weeks after you get your payrise decides to give it to everyone regardless of training you will be dissed. Rightly so because you did lose something, all your evenings for a year.
…and for that entire year, you got paid for those evenings.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#728 - 2014-04-04 00:41:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
If you trained in real life every week night for a year to qualify for a payrise and then the boss a few weeks after you get your payrise decides to give it to everyone regardless of training you will be dissed. Rightly so because you did lose something, all your evenings for a year.
…and for that entire year, you got paid for those evenings.


Still they could have used that drone training for something else .... but meh who cares. In reality their has been plenty of notice of this so its not as if people will train combat drones V and the next day find it unnecessary.




ON A DIFFERENT NOTE:

Please fix the SDA rig .... its way pointless at the moment
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#729 - 2014-04-04 00:48:02 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Still they could have used that drone training for something else
…and had awful drone stats as a result. After all, there's a reason whey did spend that time training the skill.

The time was only wasted if they didn't want that skill. And if they didn't want it, why on earth did they train it?
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#730 - 2014-04-04 00:50:21 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.



So people who trained Combat Drone Operation will be getting unallocated skill points as a reimbursement right?
Boltorano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#731 - 2014-04-04 01:01:38 UTC
Not sure if this has been asked already, but wouldn't it make sense to call it Drone Astronautics rather than Drone Avionics?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#732 - 2014-04-04 01:03:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Still they could have used that drone training for something else
…and had awful drone stats as a result. After all, there's a reason whey did spend that time training the skill.

The time was only wasted if they didn't want that skill. And if they didn't want it, why on earth did they train it?

As someone who has 15million skill points in drones, the skills were worth every SP that was put into them.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
gold fever
#733 - 2014-04-04 02:04:50 UTC
Since you are now adding a significant drone rebalance in what is looking like an industry expansion, is there any chance that we will see some changes to mining drones?
RatBoy Deblade
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#734 - 2014-04-04 03:00:14 UTC
As a 143M SP pilot, i would like to ask that CCP not nerf the NYX to the point that it would have been a waste to get into.
People spend a significant amount of time to train and gather the isk to buy a super carrier for a specific reason.. If that reason becomes entirely invalid after a change which looks like will nerf supers and in particular the NYX. Then it becomes difficult to want to continue investing in such ships and perhaps the interest in EVE will also wane slowly.

Please give the NYX some extra advantage to compensate for the lack of HP it will have without the mods and soften the Nerf Bat a bit.

Thanks,

R.B
Isky von Purps
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#735 - 2014-04-04 04:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Isky von Purps
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.



Then the Dev Blog says:

"We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation....During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.

...

Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed “Drone Avionics” ... to better represent their roles...."


Question: If before DT I have Scout Drone Operation V and Combat Drone Operation IV do I get

Light Drone Operation IV
Medium Drone Operation IV
Drone Avionics V

(As per the Dev Blog)


or

Light Drone Operation V
Medium Drone Operation V
Drone Avionics V

As per the Fozzie post? Speaking as a Toon, the difference will radically affect 8 days of my life.

ie if it is the latter then it is absolutely worthless training CDO now because you can get Drone Avionics + Light + Medium Drone Operation V just by training Scout Drone Operation V.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#736 - 2014-04-04 04:44:38 UTC
So how are the new hornets different from the old hornets? Less damage, more speed - just like they are now. ??
Bawb Zennshinagas
Zennshinagas LLC.
#737 - 2014-04-04 05:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bawb Zennshinagas
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.



So do we get reimbursed for the skill that isn't being used, and removed?

Or does your wording mean scout->light and combat->Medium ?

Getting free V for both based off of Scout is nice, but having just wasted a week training CDO, would really **** me off.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#738 - 2014-04-04 06:10:46 UTC
I have Scout Drone Operation V and Combat Drone Operation IV. Do I need to train CDO to V before the summer? Dev blog says yes, comments say no. Which is it?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#739 - 2014-04-04 11:01:41 UTC
the changes look solid, although i did not check the numbers (cause i'm lazy).

one thing i do not approve of though are the low slot drone tracking enhancers. it's bad enough that omnidirectional tracking links are basically the same module as tracking computers. we do not need to make drones even more similar to turrets (sentries <=> artillery in particular). i get that shield tanked drone boats are in an awkward place with tracking mods sharing their tank slots. in practice though, you have at least one good option to fit any of them in almost all circumstances. keeping drone tracking enhancers out of the game would be keeping one tiny vial of flavor in a giant boring sea of homogenization.

P.S.: back in the day, i was very vocal against the introduction of low slot missile explosion enhancers for the same reason.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
#740 - 2014-04-04 11:23:58 UTC
So, if I have Scout drone Operation at 5 and combat drone operation at 3, I should NOT train combat drone operation as it will be removed and replaced by the new skills at 5?