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Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#7501 - 2014-03-28 11:27:48 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Are we just trolling this thread now?



Yes


Meh, as much as I would like to stay and fight over whether or not people can disconnect from their "video game" avatar...

Get over themselves...

And just HTFU...

I gotta go to bed.

But I will say this.

Talking to sohkar in Escrow chat after all of the festivities ended, he was still innocent enough, and "new" enough, despite his old aged character, to not realize how deep the politics of this game run.

Kinda sad really, that he was thrust into the spotlight, little more than a newbie, to serve as a tool for a CSM member's grudge against one player.

As for the remaining Ero hate, he has already given you what you want.

The characters are being gutted.

Because quite frankly, internet spaceships is not serious business. It is a game, made for people to play the villain. Key word being "play." And while sohkar understands he acted out of bounds with his anger, and while he doesn't agree with Erotica's playstyle, he still respects that it was a game.

He even got back on his feet in just a day or two, lol.

That is a player I can respect, no matter his profession.

Holding his head high.

Took a lot of courage for him to announce his distaste in Ripard's maneuvering, and lack of consent. Especially amongst the scammers who scammed him. But yet, in an environment that is completely friendly and amicable.

Good for him.

Good night all, and thanks for the wonderful forum PvP.

Pirate



^^ What he just said ^^

although I still hold my ground that ero playong contestant in his 'bonus room' is just an attention whore thing, everything he basically said is true and to the point and can be backed with solid evidence...

Once again, this does not mean I condone the behavior, but it does fall with in the rules
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#7502 - 2014-03-28 11:27:53 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
More like, the director says "jump", the CEO says "how high?".

See, that's the problem with underlings these days. They always question orders.
If I say jump, you jump and don't waste time asking silly questions. Twisted
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7503 - 2014-03-28 11:28:20 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I'm sure the :Moral High Ground: crew can keep this witch hunt alive. They are such a funny and peace loving bunch.


Also, dont see where GSF hiring and firing policy (which we, quite rightly, have no business knowing) fits into the thread subject, but hey if the OP wants to derail his own thread thats his lookout, right?


Simple, E1 is a lair and has made random claims to things which he can not prove, claiming a well know director has been in involved in doxing and that he has been blackmailed.

Also if he has done nothing wrong then why was he kicked / banned / forced to leave / leave of his own accord Widot.

If he has done nothing wrong why did the GSF, the group who are the best at scamming feel the need to kickf E1 or disapprove to the extend that E1 felt he had to leave?


We told you. We did not take kindly to his shitting up our forums with his boasts.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7504 - 2014-03-28 11:28:33 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:

Uh, has any director of Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, or CFC posted here anything remotely resembling your theoretical situation?

But hey, I saw the posts of a certain EVE player called mynnna. This might be news to you, but mynnna is a director in Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, and CFC. Maybe you have heard of him?


Uh huh, I've read what everyone has to say on this matter.
Newsflash: It's opinions. And in the case of Riptar, a well respected CSM member, it was a big fat lie.
What Mynna thinks happened in the case of some internal GSF politics/ego battle is of no consern to me nor to the topic of this thread.

If you want to start a new campaign against Erotica 1 (God knows why you are so eager to do so?) Start your own thread but better not on these forums because CCP will lock that baby before you can say :butthurt ero-hater:

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#7505 - 2014-03-28 11:29:25 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Is the TEAMSPEAK BONUS ROOM of Erotica 1 any official EVE online channel?
Do you really think you are deceiving anybody here?

D.

Bear


Oh wow, surely the victims who got into that TEAMSPEAK BONUS ROOM happened to waltz in there through sheer coincidence and not because they were told to do so through EVE Online.


irrelevant
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#7506 - 2014-03-28 11:29:40 UTC
What I want to know is why is winning not enough? Why do some people feel that once they have blown up someone’s ship or scammed all their assets they must then go on to inflict humiliation on their victim as well?

When a ganker targets a mission runners shiney fit ship he has a fairly complex logistical task to assemble a gang to make the hit. It is definitely not as easy as many hisec dwellers would like to think to get a dozen characters into gank fit ships and locate them so that they can apply max dps instantly, all without tripping any alarms or alerting the target.

I’m not saying its rocket science or anything, but it definitely isn’t as easy as some people claim.

So anyway, the gank group is ready, the missioner turns up and gets popped. Maybe he gets podded too. The gankers go down in a blaze of condordokken and the swag man scoops the loot. Transaction complete, the gankers have won the mission runner has lost and emergent gameplay has taken place.

Why at this point do so many players feel the need to taunt their victim? Why do they have this sick urge to humiliate the guy they just beat?

I was a rugby player in my youth and that’s where I learned about sportsmanship. During the game you beat the crap out of the opposition, and they did the same to you. When the final whistle went everybody was friends and both teams went to the bar to celebrate. The victors were modest, the losers were magnanimous and a good time was had by everyone.

I suppose the world has moved on some since my rugby playing days, but one thing I do know is that this sick need to humiliate someone you just beat does not exist in real life to anything like the extent it exists in EVE Online. If people behaved like that in the real world they would quickly lose friends and accumulate bruises.

The anonymous nature of online gaming allows players to behave in this way with relative impunity, however just because you CAN do something does not mean that you SHOULD do it.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#7507 - 2014-03-28 11:30:44 UTC
Ya gotta wonder why CCP spends so much money flying spaceships when all the place really needs is whips, chains and that damned captains quarters remodeled, Oh and seamed stockings, gag balls instead of whatever those eye implants are called and maybe some thousand dollar rubber pants.
Prince Kobol
#7508 - 2014-03-28 11:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I'm sure the :Moral High Ground: crew can keep this witch hunt alive. They are such a funny and peace loving bunch.


Also, dont see where GSF hiring and firing policy (which we, quite rightly, have no business knowing) fits into the thread subject, but hey if the OP wants to derail his own thread thats his lookout, right?


Simple, E1 is a lair and has made random claims to things which he can not prove, claiming a well know director has been in involved in doxing and that he has been blackmailed.

Also if he has done nothing wrong then why was he kicked / banned / forced to leave / leave of his own accord Widot.

If he has done nothing wrong why did the GSF, the group who are the best at scamming feel the need to kickf E1 or disapprove to the extend that E1 felt he had to leave?


We told you. We did not take kindly to his shitting up our forums with his boasts.


What boasts specifically and in what way was he shitting up the forums as you put it that were so bad that you had to kick from the entire GSF twice and not just ban him from the forums?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#7509 - 2014-03-28 11:32:23 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
Ya gotta wonder why CCP spends so much money flying spaceships when all the place really needs is whips, chains and that damned captains quarters remodeled, Oh and seamed stockings, gag balls instead of whatever those eye implants are called and maybe some thousand dollar rubber pants.


Another chance for emergent content ruined by the anti Incarna crowd. Sad
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7510 - 2014-03-28 11:32:42 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Is the TEAMSPEAK BONUS ROOM of Erotica 1 any official EVE online channel?
Do you really think you are deceiving anybody here?

D.

Bear


Oh wow, surely the victims who got into that TEAMSPEAK BONUS ROOM happened to waltz in there through sheer coincidence and not because they were told to do so through EVE Online.


Ok, let's continue on this, I love it.

Where are ALL the members of Goonswarm sorced again?
Have you read what is posted on those forums.
Don't you agree that asking to sing songs is peanuts compared to the utterly despicable trash, hate and sycophant drivel that is posted there?

Does it not break every single rule in the TOS/EULA of EVE online, yet all those players are fine and dandy additions to our playerbase?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7511 - 2014-03-28 11:33:08 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
Ya gotta wonder why CCP spends so much money flying spaceships when all the place really needs is whips, chains and that damned captains quarters remodeled, Oh and seamed stockings, gag balls instead of whatever those eye implants are called and maybe some thousand dollar rubber pants.



And people killed Incarna before it ever got to be the dream child CCP knew it could be.
Jagoff Haverford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7512 - 2014-03-28 11:33:43 UTC
First, I'm grossly disappointed that you angry nerds haven't gotten this to 400 pages yet.

Secondly, have any of you really thought through what kind of (impossible) task CCP would face if assets could be shifted around and accounts could be banned simply by providing a recording of some out-of-game conversation? There are several dozens of ways that such recordings could be used to scam other players, solicit donations on the basis of manufactured tragedies, and even fool CCP into taking actions for violations of the TOS/EULA that never took place.

Recordings are very easy to create, and very easy to edit. CCP has no way to verify that the players on an out-of-game recording truly are who they say they are, or that the events which the recording appears to document actually took place.

Even if this specific case is based upon a valid recording that all parties agree is accurate, that doesn't mean that the next one (or the hundreds of recordings that would follow) would be.
Prince Kobol
#7513 - 2014-03-28 11:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Uh, has any director of Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, or CFC posted here anything remotely resembling your theoretical situation?

But hey, I saw the posts of a certain EVE player called mynnna. This might be news to you, but mynnna is a director in Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, and CFC. Maybe you have heard of him?


Uh huh, I've read what everyone has to say on this matter.
Newsflash: It's opinions. And in the case of Riptar, a well respected CSM member, it was a big fat lie.
What Mynna thinks happened in the case of some internal GSF politics/ego battle is of no consern to me nor to the topic of this thread.

If you want to start a new campaign against Erotica 1 (God knows why you are so eager to do so?) Start your own thread but better not on these forums because CCP will lock that baby before you can say :butthurt ero-hater:

D.

Bear


Of course it is of no concern because you have no answer.

Very similar to a child who sticks there fingers in their ears and stamps their feet when they do not want to hear what mummy and daddy have to say.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7514 - 2014-03-28 11:34:40 UTC
Imryn Xaran wrote:

The anonymous nature of online gaming allows players to behave in this way with relative impunity, however just because you CAN do something does not mean that you SHOULD do it.


“Does God want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a man who chooses to be bad perhaps in some way better than a man who has the good imposed upon him?”
― Anthony Burgess, A Clockwork Orange

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7515 - 2014-03-28 11:34:47 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Uh, has any director of Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, or CFC posted here anything remotely resembling your theoretical situation?

But hey, I saw the posts of a certain EVE player called mynnna. This might be news to you, but mynnna is a director in Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, and CFC. Maybe you have heard of him?


Uh huh, I've read what everyone has to say on this matter.
Newsflash: It's opinions. And in the case of Riptar, a well respected CSM member, it was a big fat lie.
What Mynna thinks happened in the case of some internal GSF politics/ego battle is of no consern to me nor to the topic of this thread.

If you want to start a new campaign against Erotica 1 (God knows why you are so eager to do so?) Start your own thread but better not on these forums because CCP will lock that baby before you can say :butthurt ero-hater:

D.

Bear


I'm intrigued by your continued denial of facts and your insistent white knighting of Erotica 1 even at the cost of ridiculing yourself. Also you are implying that Erotica 1 has had some prominent positions within GSF and got into an internal politics/ego battle with other people in such positions.

I'm telling you that's your imagination speaking. Anyone can run for CSM in GSF. There's no rule against running for it and nobody ever has gotten kicked out for running for CSM.
Salvos Rhoska
#7516 - 2014-03-28 11:36:44 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
God


Hmm?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7517 - 2014-03-28 11:38:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


What boasts specifically and in what was he shitting up the forums that were that bad that you had to kick from the entire GSF twice and not just banned from the forums?


You asked why he got kicked/he left and we told you. We will not be feeding you with any more info on this matter as it was an internal dispute and not relevant with this topic in any way.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7518 - 2014-03-28 11:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
God


Hmm?


Im pretty sure Burgess wasnt referring to you

Although within the context of the text and this thread, you would fit the mould, at least of the Good Man, if not God

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#7519 - 2014-03-28 11:39:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Is the TEAMSPEAK BONUS ROOM of Erotica 1 any official EVE online channel?
Do you really think you are deceiving anybody here?


Trying to claim that a TS room is a unique space with no legal, moral, EULA/TOS or interpersonal/social consequences or responsibility is a fallacy.

I know some people like to think that they have their own protective bubble there where nobody can get at them and they can do anything and everything that enters their heads., but it ain't so, bro.


Asking someone to join your teamspeak, then asking them to sing, does not violate the EULA/TOS of either eve online or teamspeak, and it does not break any laws.

Even the "victim" himself said he was just overreacting angrily, and that he doesn't think it was a big deal.

Meanwhile, you've been advocating real life violence against users for their conduct in (or related to) a video game.

I think you should seek help, friend. Your moral highhorse has been dragged into the gutter and beaten to death by your own hate-fuelled agenda

Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7520 - 2014-03-28 11:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Prince Kobol wrote:
Of course it is of no concern because you have no answer.

Very similar to a child who sticks there fingers in their ears and stamps their feet when they do not want to hear what mummy and daddy have to say.


Why are you projecting stuff onto me?

I'll paste what I said:
Uh huh, I've read what everyone has to say on this matter.
Newsflash: It's opinions. And in the case of Riptar, a well respected CSM member, it was a big fat lie.
What Mynna thinks happenedin the case of some internal GSF politics/ego battle is of no consern to me nor to the topic of this thread.

If you want to start a new campaign against Erotica 1 (God knows why you are so eager to do so?) Start your own thread but better not on these forums because CCP will lock that baby before you can say :butthurt ero-hater:

I've underlinde what you choose to cherry-pick from it.
Is it not true? Does Mynna's opinion and actions in the GSF recruitment politics have anything to do with someone singing songs on teamspeak and getting mad?

Yeah... thought so: Nothing. So it is.... wait for it.... of no concern at all. Thanks.

D.

Bear

Edit:
baltec1 wrote:

You asked why he got kicked/he left and we told you. We will not be feeding you with any more info on this matter as it was an internal dispute and not relevant with this topic in any way.
EVEN GOONS SAY THE SAME THING I DO.
Go tell them how they are wrong, please. It'll be hilarious!

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