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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#6721 - 2014-03-28 00:59:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

I am a notable exception to that.


Mostly because you're Sohkar. And a lawyer, apparently.


Thought he was an air traffic controller?

Big smile

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6722 - 2014-03-28 00:59:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary

Who are these vested individuals?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6723 - 2014-03-28 01:00:13 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

The part where pixels aren't real seems to have escaped you.


Give me yours. No biggie. Just pixels after all.

If you don't contract them over, then I will assume they have some value to you and your entire premise is moot.

Logging in now.

Mr Epeen Cool


You weren't online, so I just added a 100k onto your bounty instead. o7

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#6724 - 2014-03-28 01:00:22 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:
I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity


Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now?

The next few decades in the west are going to be really entertaining, or horrifying depending on your perspective.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6725 - 2014-03-28 01:01:23 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
Well, *something's* real enough to keep y'all in here for days in a row defending this practice and your buddy. And for the rest of us in here voicing whatever opinions we've got about it.


I'll tell you what I told the last guy.

Maybe I just don't like lynch mobs summoned up by the despicable Ripard Teg.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#6726 - 2014-03-28 01:01:26 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
~snip~


It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture.


tor·ture [tawr-cher]
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5


I add to this the definition of torture formulated by Amnesty International, and the implications of which as applied to Erotica1s activities in the Bonus Room are linked in my sig.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#6727 - 2014-03-28 01:01:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary

Who are these vested individuals?

Goons

uɐıssnɹ pɐǝɹ ʇ,uɐɔ ı ʇnq ʎɹɹos ɯ,ı
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6728 - 2014-03-28 01:01:36 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary

Who are these vested individuals?

Definitely not CCP and the bonus room is definitely not a CCP scheme to drive plex sales.

Oh god.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6729 - 2014-03-28 01:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Chibs Telford wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
~snip~


It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture.


tor·ture [tawr-cher]
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5


2 - What pain was inflicted upon anyone except for Sohkar's computer desk?
4 - Number 4 describes an emotional state, so it's irrelevant; anyone can have any emotional reaction to any event. I broke my ankle one time (literally, broke), and hopped my way to the telephone to call 911 and giggled while I spoke to the dispatcher. Someone else can faint at the sight of blood. But let me humor you: Can you please explain how getting mad constitutes "extreme anguish of body or mind;agony."
5 - This refers just as it says, to a cause of severe pain or anguish. This is however a colloquial definition: "Man, watching that movie was torture!" and thus has no legal bearing.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6730 - 2014-03-28 01:02:47 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Coffee Rock wrote:

Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.



Ban him for what, exactly?


For being smart.


  • For having the foresight to ensure that their marks are called "clients" to make things sound more legitimate.
  • For having the foresight to ensure that their clients are treated with the utmost respect, while they're being asked to do things that strip away their dignity, so that everyone else can laugh at them
  • For having the foresight to keep their actions within the grey area that is EVE morality (or lack thereof)
  • For knowing that this would eventually happen, and making sure to take every precaution to make it hard to nail them for any wrongdoing
  • For acting in a way that's vile, yet hard to write rules against. Rules that would inadvertently hammer those who simply partake in the more run of the mill, morally ambiguous stuff like murder, extortion, and theft, that take place in EVE at all times.
  • For finding a way of doing something that *feels* too personal, without actually resorting to anything that actually *is* personal


To me, it honestly almost seems like they were trying too hard to keep their noses clean, because they knew that what they were doing was crossing the line.

My gut feel is that that alone... that skirting of rules in order to be able to do something a bit edgier than just run of the mill scamming.... that that is worth seizing assets and banning for. Simply because it feels like they're playing a game with the anti-harassment portion of the rules.

Personally, I think the part that bothers me the most about all of this, is that I'm *in* the "ban 'em" camp, but can't come up with a good explanation for why that wouldn't encompass half of the people playing EVE at any one time.


So basically for treating Sohkar with kindness and offering some player content to entertain him while he ship spins?

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#6731 - 2014-03-28 01:02:56 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:


Another comment made me choke on my cigarette smoke I was laughing so hard.

"Eroxxed!"

"***** forks!"

*edited so last word above would not get past language filter.


You're welcome :)
Mario Putzo
#6732 - 2014-03-28 01:03:24 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:

How much is too much. Ask yourself, how far does it have to go before something should be done? The game is open for 13 and up. What if it were a child? What if that child snapped and killed himself? Would you finally find your conscience then?


Hyperbole was pages 2-331 check yourself before you wreck yourself.

ESRB does not rate online experiences. So if it is rated for 13+ it is irrlevent. Even if it was rated for 18+...people lie.

Let me ask you this, do you have a copy of teamspeak? If yes open it up, see that little red X up in the corner?

Problem solved.

Go exaggerate with Ripard over on his blog, you can all hold hands and sing kumbaya or some ****.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6733 - 2014-03-28 01:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Liese Shardani wrote:

Well, *something's* real enough to keep y'all in here for days in a row defending this practice and your buddy. And for the rest of us in here voicing whatever opinions we've got about it.


Personally I play for the community and friends I've made.

ISK is irrelevant to me beyond a means of keeping my accounts subbed.

Ships are really just a means to having fun, and if I was hard up, I'm sure a member of the community I'm in would have no problem giving me some.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Chibs Telford
Ruatha Holdings
#6734 - 2014-03-28 01:04:05 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity


Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now?

The next few decades in the west are going to be really entertaining, or horrifying depending on your perspective.


Couldn't comment on the post so, attacked the person posting. That's about what I expected.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6735 - 2014-03-28 01:04:32 UTC
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
None of this would be a problem if there was an in game method of "payback" for scammers. As is, they never undock and no amount of chest beating or forum posting will ever "punish" them. Obviously this is a particularly sadistic addition to scamming but most people would be fine with it if they could blow up a bunch of Erotica1's assets against his will.

While I think this whole thing is pretty revolting, I won't lose sleep if no one gets banned. On the other hand I also wouldn't lose sleep if people do.


You punish them within the meta.

Someone kills your ship, you kill their ship.

Someone metagames you, you metagame them.

Ruin the reputation and educate players as to scammer tactics.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6736 - 2014-03-28 01:04:35 UTC
Prt Scr wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary

Who are these vested individuals?

Goons


ahahaha christ

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6737 - 2014-03-28 01:05:28 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity


Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now?

It's the eve equivalent of the holocaust, didn't you hear? E1 is literally Hitler.
Salvos Rhoska
#6738 - 2014-03-28 01:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Xuixien wrote:
[So really, the people posting in this thread don't even represent 0.5% of the EVE population.


Yes. A tiny representation. Just imagine how many more disprove of what you are doing in Bonus Room.

The more people know about what youve been up to, the more will express their condemnation of it, and thats quite an accomplishment in as hardened a community as this.

This is already to my knowledge the fastest growing and largest thread this board has ever seen.

And who are in the top posters? Me, vs you and your associates who are invested in Erotica1s activities, and 1-2 neutrals.

If you have to run as much damage control and interception as you poor guys are, you know you are in the ****** end of the stick.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mario Putzo
#6739 - 2014-03-28 01:07:00 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
None of this would be a problem if there was an in game method of "payback" for scammers. As is, they never undock and no amount of chest beating or forum posting will ever "punish" them. Obviously this is a particularly sadistic addition to scamming but most people would be fine with it if they could blow up a bunch of Erotica1's assets against his will.

While I think this whole thing is pretty revolting, I won't lose sleep if no one gets banned. On the other hand I also wouldn't lose sleep if people do.


You punish them within the meta.

Someone kills your ship, you kill their ship.

Someone metagames you, you metagame them.

Ruin the reputation and educate players as to scammer tactics.


What if you willingly give all your ships to the scammer! What then?

You can't do anything once you give up all your assets willingly.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6740 - 2014-03-28 01:07:33 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity


Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now?

It's the eve equivalent of the holocaust, didn't you hear? E1 is literally ******.


I think you mean, figuratively hitler.

That's the biggest crime here. The Grammar Hammer is dangling above our heads like the Sword of Damocles.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.