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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6581 - 2014-03-27 23:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
So far Kristalll, Riot Girl, Scipio Artelius, Danalee, Xuixien have all been UNABLE to provide the answer I consider correct for this.

FTFY

Answers have been provided and as far as I'm aware, they have all been reasonable.

You aren't looking for a reasonable answer though. You are only looking for a reason to justify further attacks. I can't speak for the others, but I'm not really interested in that. Your position is already well known. No further reinforcement of it is necessary.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#6582 - 2014-03-27 23:30:59 UTC
Coffee Rock wrote:

Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.



Ban him for what, exactly?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6583 - 2014-03-27 23:33:11 UTC
Coffee Rocks wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Disclaimer: As my previous posts, this is not relevant

A sociopath gets shouted at by a victim for torturing him.
Nobody moves.
A CSM member a month later reposts said recording and adds to it: THIS IS TORTURE
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn him at the stake.

D. OUT (for now)

Bear


*puts his thumbs in his bibs* Yar... that thar wus broke *spits* so I went and fixt it fer ya.

Here's the thing. I didn't know this thing existed till Ripard posted it. Everyone I've talked to claims the same.

As CSM member, he did his job by pointing out a subject that needs debated to the player base. The fact that we reacted so strongly was surprising to him, obviously surprising to you, and probably a wee bit to the folks responsible for this crap.

Now that it's in the spotlight you can't put it back in the dark, no matter how much they want to try. Now that we see how ugly this is, no amount of painting it another color will help you to hide it.

It took a month, but we've seen it now. It's dominating the conversation on twitter. It's causing the bloggers to express their thoughts. It has made gaming news.

Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.


Sorry dude.

But we don't have enough information to conclude, or even suspect, that Erotica 1 may have Antisocial Personality Disorder ("psychopathy" and "sociopathy" are not actually real diagnosis).

Also: Nothing that Erotica 1 did fits any formal, legal definition of abuse.

Sorry.

You're free to keep repeating the same debunked rubbish though if it makes you feel like you did something important, though. I'm sure mommy and daddy will be proud - "Look at our little boy, voicing his own opinion and being a man in the world!"

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6584 - 2014-03-27 23:34:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Coffee Rock wrote:

Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.



Ban him for what, exactly?


On what criterion do you decide "involvement"?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#6585 - 2014-03-27 23:34:56 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
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None of you have provided the correct answer to that question, which is required to fulfill that task of the Bonus Room.

If you, people who are intimately involved in deriving profit as well as fapping to the suffering of the victims involved, dont know the correct answer required that fulfills that task of the Bonus Room, then its not likely that a random non-affiliated victim is going to be able to provide a correct answer that fulfills the requirements of that task of the Bonus Room, is it.

This is all such tard stuff.

Is this "unanswerable" question somehow related to the fact that "true faith" is not something that anyone can show, because it is not a real quantity or quality that you can pull out of your pocket and "show" or something insanely stupid like that?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Sapheni
Black Moon Mining
#6586 - 2014-03-27 23:36:01 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Sapheni wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Sapheni wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


Obviously it would need something to prevent abuse, but the concept is good. In EVE players with a red card could lose forum posting and local posting 'privileges'. No more forum trolls and no more scammers in Jita. Self regulation 4tw.


So essentially you can clean the forums of all dissenting opinions!

Brilliant!


No, just the trolls. Although there might be some collateral damage and we'd lose the frequent posters who aren't trolls (if there are any), but that would be no great loss. 30 red cards would probably be enough to restore the EVE forums to the nice warm fuzzy place they used to be pre-2006.


I go to bed every night and that small part of me that's dedicated to thinking about EVE when I'm not actually playing is filled with fuzzy warmth knowing that no one like you and your ilk will ever become a GM or Dev or have any influence or impact upon the game besides making whiny call for "street justice" style posts on the forums.


Oh dear. Did I strike a nerve?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#6587 - 2014-03-27 23:36:06 UTC
Wow theres a lot of posts in this thread. I wanna join in.

I'll try and take a step back from all the senationalist drama, and lay it out how I see it.

Erotica 1 does what she always does - offers to double (or quadruple) the isk people send her.
Sokhar wants in on the deal, sends isk.
Erotica asks him to read articles, sing songs, etc in order to win
Sokhar plays along with it, somewhat reluctantly, for an hour or two
Eventually he gets sick of it, rants and rages
The end.

How people can call that bullying, let alone "torture", is beyond me. Personally, I think Ripard Teg is a rather distasteful individual, last year he compared ganking mining ships to the-word-for-forced-non-consensual-sex-thats-censored-here, something I found incredibly offensive, as it trivialised an extremely horrific issue. Now he's at it again, describing the events I laid out above as abuse and "torture".

He's not just a hacky sensationalist writer on the level of any garbage tabloid, he's a very odious little twerp, as comparing such extreme real life suffering to trivial video-game nonsense is deeply offensive and trivialises real human tragedy in order to get page hits for his blog, or to push his agenda (such as skuppering a potential CSM candidates chances with smear campaigns, etc).

Sokhar for his vile racial slurs and death threats, and Ripard Teg for the reasons above are the truly repulsive creatures in this whole ordeal. Oh, and also the astonishingly hypocritical people in this thread who are condoning, encouraging, or otherwise wishing real life violence and suffering on Erotica1 or anyone else.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6588 - 2014-03-27 23:36:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Coffee Rock wrote:

Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.



Ban him for what, exactly?

Before you answer that, I think I can predict the next step.
Tor Norman wrote:
For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

Iteration 330.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#6589 - 2014-03-27 23:37:15 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Go find a different game that caters to your Candy Land Morality.

Hey Mario, congrats on getting a job at CCP!!!

I can only assume that is what has happened, since you think it's your job to tell people what they can and can't do in this game.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Josef Djugashvilis
#6590 - 2014-03-27 23:37:26 UTC
If only folk were so passionate about voting for the CSM, we really could have those elected representing more than a small fraction of the player base.

This is not a signature.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6591 - 2014-03-27 23:37:53 UTC
Sapheni wrote:


Oh dear. Did I strike a nerve?


Yes: Your ignorance and melodramatics are offensive.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6592 - 2014-03-27 23:38:56 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Apparently in every Bonus Room the following question is asked as part of the required tasks:

"What if this was all just some sort of elaborate scam, what would you do next?"

So far Kristalll, Riot Girl, Scipio Artelius, Danalee, Xuixien have all been UNABLE to provide the correct answer for this.

If these people, many of which whom are very associated with the Bonus Room, cannot even provide the correct answer, then its not really likely that some random participant they sucker up the victim selection process is going to be able to either, is it.

I know it sad for them.
The ISK they fleece through this, and the suffering they so dearly need to fap to, could all now potentially be lost.

But you will adapt. That is what EVE is about, afterall.

I don't think it's a required task, I think it's just something Erotica likes to ask. Even if it is a required task, it doesn't require a specific answer. As I said before, the only requirements are that you follow the rules.

Oh god.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6593 - 2014-03-27 23:39:00 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Go find a different game that caters to your Candy Land Morality.

Hey Mario, congrats on getting a job at CCP!!!

I can only assume that is what has happened, since you think it's your job to tell people what they can and can't do in this game.


lol That's funny considering that's the entire premise behind everyone calling for Erotica 1 to be banned.

My sense of irony has been tickled positively PINK!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6594 - 2014-03-27 23:39:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Coffee Rock wrote:

Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.



Ban him for what, exactly?


God, you are an incessant troll. I'm almost impressed only because I cannot figure out WHEN you sleep or work. Smile

You read my first comment on this which laid out the reasons - i know you did, b/c you trolled then Blink. I put my reasons there. If you need to see it again without scrolling all that way, go to my blog post. I copy/pasted my forum post there.

That's it for me. o/

You never fly alone - Broadcast 4 Reps | Twitter: @thecoffeerocks | Steam: CoffeeRocks
Mario Putzo
#6595 - 2014-03-27 23:39:41 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Go find a different game that caters to your Candy Land Morality.

Hey Mario, congrats on getting a job at CCP!!!

I can only assume that is what has happened, since you think it's your job to tell people what they can and can't do in this game.


The ironing of this post is delicious.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6596 - 2014-03-27 23:39:52 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Apparently in every Bonus Room the following question is asked as part of the required tasks:

"What if this was all just some sort of elaborate scam, what would you do next?"

So far Kristalll, Riot Girl, Scipio Artelius, Danalee, Xuixien have all been UNABLE to provide the correct answer for this.

If these people, many of which whom are very associated with the Bonus Room, cannot even provide the correct answer, then its not really likely that some random participant they sucker up the victim selection process is going to be able to either, is it.

I know it sad for them.
The ISK they fleece through this, and the suffering they so dearly need to fap to, could all now potentially be lost.

But you will adapt. That is what EVE is about, afterall.

I don't think it's a required task, I think it's just something Erotica likes to ask. Even if it is a required task, it doesn't require a specific answer. As I said before, the only requirements are that you follow the rules.


How many times are you going to answer his question before you realize that he'll never accept your answer because it doesn't fit his agenda?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#6597 - 2014-03-27 23:40:26 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Disclaimer: As my previous posts, this is not a derail.
I will however take my tongue out of my cheeck where it has been lodged for the past few days.

This girl posted some bad things about EVE online and it's playerbase.
CCP hires her.
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn her at the stake.
CCP defends her and steps in hard on everyone commenting on the topic.

A guy drunkenly tells someone to kill himself at fanfest.
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn him at the stake.
He becomes the most powerfull dude in the universe and is more popular asked by the media than actual game devs.

This other dude totally humiliates a fellow player and calls him retarted.
Nobody moves.
Suddenly I see this guy commentating an official EVE tournament.

A guy gets shouted at by a racist for asking said racist to sing a song.
Nobody moves.
A CSM member a month later reposts said recording and adds to it: THIS IS TORTURE
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn him at the stake.

That's what has been happening over the years. There are many more examples. Please stop with the double/tripple standards. Please stop with your faux-offended reactions, please just enjoy our game.
Don't try to fix what isn't broken and get some perspective.

D. OUT (for now)

Bear


Yes but in this case, the "victim" got REALLY MAD!!!!

That makes it wrong, because we're all responsible for other people's subjective feelings.


Also, many people like myself weren't around when those previous events occurred. Also, I can assure you that if I was walking down the road and seen someone was being treated so poorly, I would step in like I have many times before. Now that I am apart of the Eve Community, I'm providing my input to the matter at hand. This is believe is unacceptable.

The "Bitter Vets" may have accepted this type of behavior. But by many of the responses in this thread, it seems to be this has crossed the line and many have had enough.
Salvos Rhoska
#6598 - 2014-03-27 23:40:41 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
As I said before, the only requirements are that you follow the rules.


Where can I read these rules?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Cha'ka Khan
Dark Skies Dojo
Wrong Hole.
#6599 - 2014-03-27 23:41:33 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Disclaimer: As my previous posts, this is not a derail.
I will however take my tongue out of my cheeck where it has been lodged for the past few days.

This girl posted some bad things about EVE online and it's playerbase.
CCP hires her.
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn her at the stake.
CCP defends her and steps in hard on everyone commenting on the topic.

A guy drunkenly tells someone to kill himself at fanfest.
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn him at the stake.
He becomes the most powerfull dude in the universe and is more popular asked by the media than actual game devs.

This other dude totally humiliates a fellow player and calls him retarted.
Nobody moves.
Suddenly I see this guy commentating an official EVE tournament.

A guy gets shouted at by a racist for asking said racist to sing a song.
Nobody moves.
A CSM member a month later reposts said recording and adds to it: THIS IS TORTURE
Everyone grabs a pitchfork and tries to burn him at the stake.

That's what has been happening over the years. There are many more examples. Please stop with the double/tripple standards. Please stop with your faux-offended reactions, please just enjoy our game.
Don't try to fix what isn't broken and get some perspective.

D. OUT (for now)

Bear




Much love for this post.... :D

The only thing we have to fear, is new pilots and AFK miners. 
Sapheni
Black Moon Mining
#6600 - 2014-03-27 23:43:14 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Sapheni wrote:


Oh dear. Did I strike a nerve?


Yes: Your ignorance and melodramatics are offensive.


Irony now.