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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#6321 - 2014-03-27 21:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: arabella blood
Malcanis wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation


Can you stop talking in codes and with a politicians tounge??

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6322 - 2014-03-27 21:08:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.

You may not be able to (or want to) answer this, but I'm curious how this issue came to csm attention. Was this brought up by CCP, or was it player driven?

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6323 - 2014-03-27 21:08:23 UTC
olan2005 wrote:


But there is still an intrinsic value to the player who invested time to acquire virtual assets which are the property of ccp but his to use. Without those assets he would have had to start from scratch


Well to people like me, Erotica 1, and others: It's just space pixels, who cares.

To people like Sohkar, I guess they're a huge invest of time and energy and have personal value.

Good thing no one is responsible for the subjective feelings of anyone else.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Dave Stark
#6324 - 2014-03-27 21:08:27 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.



Great! Time to lock this thread.


Agreed, its disintigrating into a typical General Discussion thread.



a topic in general discussion turning in to a topic in general discussion?

shocker.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6325 - 2014-03-27 21:09:05 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation


Can you stop talking in codes and with a politicians tounge??


Everyone is getting handjobs.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6326 - 2014-03-27 21:09:11 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation


Can you stop playing in codes and with a politicians tounge??


He's on the CSM. Of course he's a politician and will speak like one.

You just need to learn how to speak Politicianese.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Dave Stark
#6327 - 2014-03-27 21:09:12 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation


Can you stop playing in codes and with a politicians tounge??


he basically said you're free to read whatever he wrote, and jump to whatever wild conclusion you want to.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6328 - 2014-03-27 21:09:16 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


Yeah. The issue they were ignoring for months until Erotica 1's life was threatened by a mentally unstable client. ripard used his blog to spark a witch hunt.

Somehow this means Erotica 1 is in the wrong.


ftfy.

i dont see this ending well for him


nothing will happen to erotica, the racist who's name i still can't remember how to spell, or ripard.

the official stance will be "care is lower than a hooker's undergarments" and swept under the carpet.[/quote]
yeah, you cought me mid forum derp ,i ment ripard

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6329 - 2014-03-27 21:09:18 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Sounds like they're torturing CCP Gargant and he's enjoying it. They're even physically restraining a player in game. Uh oh, bans inc.

People talking about how E1 "clearly crossed a line" seem to be anathema to articulating clearly what that line is. And more importantly, what it isn't.


That's what I've found too. Even working to help them clarify makes them break down in confusion.

It's like saying "There's a different between having fun and holding the person against their will and harassing them!"

And it's like "no ****, now how is this harassment?"

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6330 - 2014-03-27 21:09:20 UTC
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.
Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#6331 - 2014-03-27 21:09:47 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Regarding : 2. What was done was not a violation of the EULA
Actually this is extremely relevant. Game companies should not be in the habit of banning players for any reason outside of explicitly stated game rules. Doing so erodes player trust in the company.


Fair enough - I'll concede here, at least in general terms. However I think that the specific case here there is sufficient grounds for CCP to declare it to be harrassment should they choose to.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Regarding: 3. They didn't do this other stuff that would have been much worse

I haven't seen this argument made except in hyperbole, but you are correct.

I've been reading the thread on and off and there's been more straw men than a Wizzard of Oz costume party.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Regarding: 4. The vicitim had a choice not to be victimized

I'm 95% in agreement with you here. My biggest issue with this argument is that the "victim" did lash out at Ero and the excrow agents involved. Honestly I need to listen to the full recording (haven't found the time), but I'm very unwilling to say that he was completely blameless in this case.


Oh - I'm certainly not sanctifying the behaviour of the victim here. He made some pretty unpleasant comments. However, that doesn't mean he wasn't a victim or that he should be blamed for being a victim.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

What is far more important than any ban that may or may not occur is any statement CCP makes in conjunction with the ban. I would not be surprised to see a EULA update targeted at curbing this kind of behavior but leaving scamming as a whole intact. I'm really hoping that singing ransoms and such are not targeted, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in terms of whats allowed when leading someone on for a long period of time, along with guidelines as to where to stop a scam before hurting another player in ways that affect them out of game. Of course any changes are on a case-by-case evaluation under GM discretion.


I have to agree with you wholeheartedly here. I would be very surprised if this didn't result in a change in the EULA. There's a number of different ways that CCP could do so and I'm not going to play the speculation game. I will say that I wouldn't be unhappy to see ISK-doubling scams and the like disappear, though. I don't see them add anything meaningful or useful to the game. Corp heists etc add meaningful meta to the game as a whole and for great news stories. Cheap scams preying on newbies not so much.

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6332 - 2014-03-27 21:10:12 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.

You may not be able to (or want to) answer this, but I'm curious how this issue came to csm attention. Was this brought up by CCP, or was it player driven?



It was most likely brought to their attention by Ripard and then brought to the forefront by this Threadnaught..

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Dave Stark
#6333 - 2014-03-27 21:11:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve?

doesn't sound open to abuse at all.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6334 - 2014-03-27 21:11:56 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


Yes, CCP should definitely follow the example of themepark games.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6335 - 2014-03-27 21:12:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve?

doesn't sound open to abuse at all.


Already exists in form of Report Bot button.

That one isnt abused at all.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6336 - 2014-03-27 21:12:07 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation


Can you stop talking in codes and with a politicians tounge??


I could.

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#6337 - 2014-03-27 21:12:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation


Can you stop playing in codes and with a politicians tounge??


he basically said you're free to read whatever he wrote, and jump to whatever wild conclusion you want to.


Really? thx captain obvious.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#6338 - 2014-03-27 21:13:02 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

He's on the CSM. Of course he's a politician and will speak like one.

You just need to learn how to speak Politicianese.


Whatever they say, the opposite is true.

Oh, wait, that's my Malcanis filter.



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Dave Stark
#6339 - 2014-03-27 21:13:09 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve?

doesn't sound open to abuse at all.


Already exists in form of Report Bot button.

That one isnt abused at all.


remind me, which innocent player was banned for botting after being reported as a bot.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6340 - 2014-03-27 21:13:49 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.

You may not be able to (or want to) answer this, but I'm curious how this issue came to csm attention. Was this brought up by CCP, or was it player driven?



It was most likely brought to their attention by Ripard and then brought to the forefront by this Threadnaught..


Basically:

Ripard Teg doesn't like Erotica 1, nor does he like what Erotica 1 does.

This particular Bonus Round was "juicy" enough for him to bring it up to the CSM/CCP.

He was probably dismissed because no one at CCP/CSM honestly cares.

So out of spite he decided to stir some controversy and bad press for CCP and EVE Online publicly.

Like a big baby.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist