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Dacus Minor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4801 - 2014-03-27 11:00:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
You keep using the same tired and false analogy over and over.

Ok.

I just want a harsh environment where adults who want a challenge can actually find a place to enjoy themselves.

Anyone else can just HTFU or GTFO.

We don't need to change EvE as a result of this situation and anyone who is calling for scamming, ganking, awoxing and other risks to be removed need to grow up and take responsibility for their own choices and the consequences of those choices.

No analogy, but not my normal approach to posting as I don't feel this kind of language helps move a discussion forward.


What challenge is there in parting a fool from his money? (specifically referring to scamming)

We clearly do need to change EVE, as it is the ONLY MMO where such things like this and that other nasty incident involving the mittani have ever taken place.....

make Combat as harsh as we can stand, fine. But do not pretend like the EVE community does not have a cancer, when we have two well published and documented cases of such depravity.


I recall someone in WoW knifing someone else. Scamming people is an advertised feature of EVE and isnt going away.


And that is a good thing? I won't start with the "going over line" argument because that line is hard to define but I do think it should be controlled a bit better... As for "HTFU or GTFO" people: what goes around comes around...
Kyperion
#4802 - 2014-03-27 11:00:50 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
What challenge is there in parting a fool from his money? (specifically referring to scamming).

I don't personally scam anyone, but I don't imagine that there is any difficulty.

However, as opposed to changing the game to protect fools (not a great description of anyone, but using it to link back to the question), if the fools took greater responsilibity for their choices, there would be no scamming either.

Problem solved by the players changing their behaviour, not by changing the environment to suit the lowest common denominator.


The fool is a fool precisely because he does not think before acting.

EVE online is a video game, not some mystical teaching tool.

The rules need to follow common civility.... and that means scamming needs to go.
Jerome Gouillot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4803 - 2014-03-27 11:01:16 UTC
The only thing that really makes me nervous is the fact, that the 'victim' is - at least as stated by himself - a flight controller.
From a frequent flier point of view, I sincerely hope he is in reality working in a profession that is not so much based on the ability to stay calm, make wise decisions - especially under pressure - and is always able to distinguish between facts and imagination.

However, if his statement is true and this event would make him reconsider his professional career and switch to something that has a significant lower chance to endager the lifes of real people, than Ero1 would have potentially saved the lifes of hundreds.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#4804 - 2014-03-27 11:01:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
...

I recall someone in WoW knifing someone else. Scamming people is an advertised feature of EVE and isnt going away.


I remember reading about that as a news story before i even knew what an MMO was. Guy scammed or stole a magical precious sword item in game and got killed over it. I thought: "Jeez, people will kill each other over anything, won't they?"
Understanding how people hurt themselves and each other over petty things is what snaps people right out of that messing with people phase, the phase that comes just after the lighting your own farts phase.

Again: Erotica1, no h8 m8, scammers do yr thing, but hours and days worth of it? Come onnnnn.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4805 - 2014-03-27 11:01:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lol.. a goon get banned for terrible posting and endless boasting, that would mean every goon would be perma banned within a few days on every forum :p


He wasn't even a goon, he was a pony-loving widot.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4806 - 2014-03-27 11:01:36 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.

So what?

If no one falls for scams, there are no scams.

Scammers are only empowered by people falling for their scams, even when something as simple as a Google search can explain every single scam in the game.

There is nothing wrong with everyone being against everyone.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4807 - 2014-03-27 11:02:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I Can't read. I can't think for myself, heck, I could just as well be sokhar


Sorry to hear that friend but I for one will defend your right to post stupid and or silly things. No need to thank me.

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4808 - 2014-03-27 11:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jerome Gouillot wrote:
The only thing that really makes me nervous is the fact, that the 'victim' is - at least as stated by himself - a flight controller.

Actually I think the choice he made towards the end of the recording to take the day off work (might have been night, I don't know) shows he's probably exactly the type of person who should be an ATC.

He clearly made a smart and responsible choice, recognising that he wasn't prepared for the responsibilities so soon after exploding. That's the type of responsible thinking, with a bigger view in mind, that I hope all ATCs have after an emotional meltdown.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#4809 - 2014-03-27 11:04:36 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

Whatever happened to the good ole' "I hold my breath till you stop" ??
Prince Kobol
#4810 - 2014-03-27 11:04:54 UTC
Kyperion wrote:


If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


Totally disagree.

Eve needs scamming, it a fantastic and fascinating element of the game. The problem is that in this instance it well past scamming.

This is somebody who has researched the EULA/TOS and RL Laws, is using our game to find people who are susceptible, then take them out of game in order to avoid any punishment, to simply humiliate and cause them as much mental anguish and pain as possible for their own sick and twisted amusement.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4811 - 2014-03-27 11:05:22 UTC
embrel wrote:
Danalee wrote:
I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

Whatever happened to the good ole' "I hold my breath till you stop" ??


You nabbed it right from under my nose... You bully!

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4812 - 2014-03-27 11:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bunnie Hop
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Note, thanks Prince Kobol for reminding me of PEGI, they too have since been contacted with links to audio, forum, etc for review and hopefully action.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#4813 - 2014-03-27 11:05:44 UTC
All the people having difficulty with the heat need to GTFO of the kitchen so the rest of us may sup on our foul brew in peace.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#4814 - 2014-03-27 11:08:41 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game?


As has been said more than once in this thread, they'll take their time and formulate what they believe to be a measured response. It's how they roll.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Josef Djugashvilis
#4815 - 2014-03-27 11:08:54 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
So has anyone actually called the police yet?


Called the Police what?

This is not a signature.
Prince Kobol
#4816 - 2014-03-27 11:08:59 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.


Well in truth I think many people are amused that Eve is somehow rated "Teen" by the ESRB and "12" by the PEGI.

When you see what is said in chat channels, Public, Alliance and Corp, I would never let my kids with 10 feet of Eve.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4817 - 2014-03-27 11:09:16 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4818 - 2014-03-27 11:09:40 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game?


As has been said more than once in this thread, they'll take their time and formulate what they believe to be a measured response. It's how they roll.


They have had ample time.
Prince Kobol
#4819 - 2014-03-27 11:09:51 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game?


As has been said more than once in this thread, they'll take their time and formulate what they believe to be a measured response. It's how they roll.


Well, or stick their collective heads in the sand for a few weeks hoping it will all go away Big smile
Salvos Rhoska
#4820 - 2014-03-27 11:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

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