EVE General Discussion

Cite the precise rule E1 broke and reread my last, bolded paragraph regarding coercion and manipulation. Please. I didn't ignore it, I attacked it head on. You chose not to read it.

Depending on you municipality, it can be a contributing factor, actually.

Naive. Sometimes human beeings are turned into puppets. Your seeing things too idealistically.

I just want to summarize a bit for my own sake and maybe others. There really are a lot of posts about this now! Please indicate where I may have gone wrong...

1. E1 baits gullible and / or vulnerable people in EvE with a scam.
2. Once a potential victim is found and has shown sufficient vulnerability, they are invited to continue out of game on TS (the bonus room).
3. The scam continues for a few minutes on TS until the victim has been scammed out of all in-game assets.
4. E1 then ransoms the victim's assets through a series of humiliating & escalating non-game related actions & tasks, picking up on any possible weaknesses the victim may have (speech impediment for example).
5. E1 continues this process for as long as it takes for the victim to display alarming levels of psychological torment & distress and snap into outrage.
6. The whole process is recorded and sometimes made public.

What I gather from reading many (but not all) comments is that the player base in general are OK with 1 & 2 as it's all a part of the game we play. Most are still OK with 3 but some don't like taking it out of game (mainly due to subsequent steps I think, might be wrong here though).

4 is beginning to push certain limits that people have, mainly based around extending an EvE scam into real world actions. 5 is seen as thoroughly reprehensible. 6 isn't mentioned too much - some see it as pawn for E1's pleasure, some as further psychological torment of the victim.

That's my rough summary of the most common views from the players.

A minority try to validate E1's actions with things like "the victim should be banned for making threats", "HTFU, it's EvE", "he deserved it", "It's not illegal or in contravention of the EULA" (that's possibly the most common one) and possibly the most outstandingly appalling one is "E1 only did it to this extent once, other times weren't as bad so it's an outlier and is therefore OK".

For what it's worth, I'd say the majority of the EvE player base are morally sound people. The poor reputation that EvE's player base has is undeserved and is based on a very small minority. Reading this thread is evidence of this.

6. IS illegal if u dont have consent of person u record.

This is the part of RL that I don't agree with. People are beginning to lose all sense of personal responsibility and demanding that other people take responsibility for their actions. Which is wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and choices. This shirking of responsibility and accountability for one's own action is a plague on this world.

Shrugs off request for citation of relevant reference material, insults the person requesting in instead.

I'm noticing a pattern here. Particularly amongst the people on the witchhunt.

You may not harass other players. You may not cause damage to CCP's reputation.

Already been cited multiple times. You may not harass other players. You may not cause damage to CCP's reputation.

Already been cited multiple times. You may not harass other players. You may not cause damage to CCP's reputation.

Except we're not talking about in game. This entire sad episode involved a group of EvE players harassing and humiliating another EvE player. It had nothing to do with spaceships at all. It was outright predatory behavior designed and intended to cause harm to another person.