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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#4201 - 2014-03-27 01:45:21 UTC
Huh. Mynna is talking now.

I wonder if Mittens will have anything to say.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#4202 - 2014-03-27 01:45:38 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:


If you can find the word "chest" in my post you will have won the bonus round and as such will get the choice to either smear OR rub mayo on yourself for our viewing pleasure. Find it fast my generous offer will only remain for so long.


Oh I see, the issue is that you don't know the whole story. That's not surprising. I must admit I also made an error - in assuming you did. :(

The story typically goes that the contestant was asked, by Erotica 1, to smear mayonnaise on his chest (or write his name in mayonnaise on his chest - there's different versions). So when you said "smear mayonnaise on himself" I thought you were referring to his chest.

My mistake. In the future I will not assume you know what you're talking about.

Cool


Hmmm..as I understand it the "story" goes he asked someone to write his name in PEANUT BUTTER. So my advice would be that as long as you are into assuming, just assume that you don't know what you are talking about at the same time you assume the same for me.

Unfortunately, you did lose that bonus round, no mayo for you. BUT! In honor of our long standing friendship I will allow you to make it up to me, now I believe we were discussing peanut butter....


Yes, there was also a separate incident involving a name being written in peanut butter. This was the precursor to the peanut butter incident. I know, it's all very hard to understand and very complicated, so don't your worry you're cute little domestic brain over it.


You know you are right, I should worry my brain over other things. I'm going to take your advice and do so. Thanks. Looking forward to getting to know you more in game. You are a gentlewoman and a scholar. Twisted

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4203 - 2014-03-27 01:45:44 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Ripard Teg wrote:
Dribble


You're a weasel and a grass. You should be removed as csm and given a temp ban for dragging other players into the public light, namely Sohkar and his racist ranting and racial abuse of another Eve player. Whatever happens out of this, if Ero gets it, you and Sokhar had better bloody well get it too.


He better get a ******* medal for having the balls to call bullshit as it is. But keep trying to be edgy bro, you'll get it on day.

Ripard, you done good.


A racist cheering on a faux-rightous terrible blogger, who would have guessed it?

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Mario Putzo
#4204 - 2014-03-27 01:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Glathull wrote:
Huh. Mynna is talking now.

I wonder if Mittens will have anything to say.


Probably

"Keep my name out of it I don't want permaban talks coming up again about that time I told a kid to kill himself."
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#4205 - 2014-03-27 01:46:24 UTC
Ripard Teg wrote:
Hi everyone,

I've been staying out of this thread partially because I've already given my opinions on this matter on my blog, partially to let players hash it out without it becoming about me, and partially because I have a damn hard time following EVE-O forum threads because of the way the software is designed.

I do have to say that I'm utterly stunned at the size of this thread. Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening. I also want to stress right out front that I am not anti-scam, anti-suicide gank, anti-non-consensual PvP, or anti-gray areas in EVE. I am for all of these things and anyone who tells you different is lying or wrong.

But there are limits. And Erotica 1 and his "agents" have crossed them.

I want to thank everyone who sent me e-mails or EVE mails in support of my blog post. My position on this matter remains unchanged. Erotica 1 and his "agents" have no place in the EVE Online community. This isn't about scamming people. Scamming people is fine and I have no problem with it. But in the bonus room, in ten minutes the scam is OVER. The scammers have won. It's the other 135 or more minutes that I object to. Why do they have to prolong this sick, reprehensible behavior to these lengths? Why do they have to do it to dozens or hundreds of people? Why do they have to train a small army of people to do it? When is enough enough?

I feel CCP should permaban Erotica 1 and seize all of his assets to send a clear and strong message that this kind of activity will simply not be tolerated in the EVE Online community. Then turn on his "agents": temp bans, asset seizures, and negative ISK balances there. The agents will be simple enough to track down: pull Erotica 1's wallet. Assume everyone who sends him a large amount of ISK is a victim. Investigate contracts created by those victims. Anyone to whom a contract is sent is a target to be investigated.

Again, this isn't about the scams. Scams are fine. This is about sick, reprehensible behavior and psychological harassment of CCP's customers. CCP has the right to protect their customers and decide what is and what is not acceptable behavior in New Eden. CCP: please make it clear for EVE's second decade that this kind of thing is simply unacceptable in our community.

That's all. Thanks again to everyone involved in this discussion! I'm glad it's taking place. I'll continue to try to keep up as best I can.



I agree with the sentiment; a line was crossed.

I worry about the consequences of a ban, in terms of precedent and rules changes/clarifications.
Mario Putzo
#4206 - 2014-03-27 01:47:58 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Ripard Teg wrote:
Hi everyone,

I've been staying out of this thread partially because I've already given my opinions on this matter on my blog, partially to let players hash it out without it becoming about me, and partially because I have a damn hard time following EVE-O forum threads because of the way the software is designed.

I do have to say that I'm utterly stunned at the size of this thread. Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening. I also want to stress right out front that I am not anti-scam, anti-suicide gank, anti-non-consensual PvP, or anti-gray areas in EVE. I am for all of these things and anyone who tells you different is lying or wrong.

But there are limits. And Erotica 1 and his "agents" have crossed them.

I want to thank everyone who sent me e-mails or EVE mails in support of my blog post. My position on this matter remains unchanged. Erotica 1 and his "agents" have no place in the EVE Online community. This isn't about scamming people. Scamming people is fine and I have no problem with it. But in the bonus room, in ten minutes the scam is OVER. The scammers have won. It's the other 135 or more minutes that I object to. Why do they have to prolong this sick, reprehensible behavior to these lengths? Why do they have to do it to dozens or hundreds of people? Why do they have to train a small army of people to do it? When is enough enough?

I feel CCP should permaban Erotica 1 and seize all of his assets to send a clear and strong message that this kind of activity will simply not be tolerated in the EVE Online community. Then turn on his "agents": temp bans, asset seizures, and negative ISK balances there. The agents will be simple enough to track down: pull Erotica 1's wallet. Assume everyone who sends him a large amount of ISK is a victim. Investigate contracts created by those victims. Anyone to whom a contract is sent is a target to be investigated.

Again, this isn't about the scams. Scams are fine. This is about sick, reprehensible behavior and psychological harassment of CCP's customers. CCP has the right to protect their customers and decide what is and what is not acceptable behavior in New Eden. CCP: please make it clear for EVE's second decade that this kind of thing is simply unacceptable in our community.

That's all. Thanks again to everyone involved in this discussion! I'm glad it's taking place. I'll continue to try to keep up as best I can.



I agree with the sentiment; a line was crossed.

I worry about the consequences of a ban, in terms of precedent and rules changes/clarifications.


I agree ban Ripard Teg.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#4207 - 2014-03-27 01:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Mario Putzo wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(50 more pages since I checked 3 hours ago. Somebody doing a Psychology, Sociology or even Anthropology Master's or Ph.D. could have ready-made sources for a thesis right here).


doubtful. You would get more out of watching congress for an afternoon.

Smile

But why not? You have a self-contained community group. Members of the group are expressing opinions about a controversy about the accepted mores of the group. And to express one's opinion, one has to be a verified member of the community group. Or at least an alt of a verified member of the group. You get bonus points on your thesis for addressing the uniquely internet-culture "multiple voices for one member via alts" issue.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4208 - 2014-03-27 01:52:16 UTC
With revelations coming from the Goonswarm camp about further sociopathic and sadistic behaviour of E1 and Co, its even more clear that what they do is nothing short of emotional ****.

They are online predators looking for vulnerable handicapped people to cyber-bully, plain and simple.

What they do is IDENTICAL to a gang of rapists intentionally drugging and then taking somewhere and raping some poor girl at a party. The end result for the victim is the same - emotional damage that cannot be healed.

Nothing they say or do justifies our community's tolerance of such heinous behaviour.

BAN THEM ALL.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#4209 - 2014-03-27 01:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Ripard Teg wrote:
Dribble


You're a weasel and a grass. You should be removed as csm and given a temp ban for dragging other players into the public light, namely Sohkar and his racist ranting and racial abuse of another Eve player. Whatever happens out of this, if Ero gets it, you and Sokhar had better bloody well get it too.


+1 to this.

Also quite amusing how his story changed from -

"He is also a despicable, vile, evil human being. I am ashamed to share a video game community with him." (RE: Erotica1)

to this:

"Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening."

No, Ripard - you did not "tap into a vast river of player feeling." You used your blog and your CSM position to level personal attacks against another player and unleash a 200+ page drama filled threadnaut - then tried to cover it up with your most recent comment. I don't want anyone on the CSM who causes this kind of drama. I want people on the CSM who advocate things that matter - like game balance, features, expansions, community feedback about game play, etc.

Lost my vote. Also lost a blog subscription. Really enjoyed reading you and thought as a CSM member you would rise above letting your personal feelings take over and cause you to lash out in such a unprofessional manner against a fellow Eve player. I hope you are removed from the CSM promptly.
Mario Putzo
#4210 - 2014-03-27 01:52:47 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(50 more pages since I checked 3 hours ago. Somebody doing a Psychology, Sociology or even Anthropology Master's or Ph.D. could have ready-made sources for a thesis right here).


doubtful. You would get more out of watching congress for an afternoon.

[:)

But why not? You have a self-contained community group. Members of the group are expressing opinions about a controversy about the accepted mores of the group. And to express one's opinion, one has to be a verified member of the community group. Or at least an alt of a verified member of the group. You get bonus points on your thesis for addressing the "multiple voices for one member via alts) issue.


Considering probably half the people on each "side" are trolling, the study group is highly volatile. It is really impossible to quantify the actual social make up of everyone when you have no idea if they are serious posting, or trolling.

For example, i am trolling half the time, serious posting some of the time, and just +1ing page counts some of the time.
Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4211 - 2014-03-27 01:53:05 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
At the 46 min 17 sec mark the victim was asked to put mayo in his mouth and dribble some down his chin.

There was no request to smear mayo on himself in that particular recording that I heard.

Not approving of it (I've made my strong thoughts on the whole mayo and photos issue clear elsewhere) but where facts can be used we should probably try to use them.
At 47:55 in this clip, Erotica 1 says, "Would you also be able to with mayonnaise spell Erotica 1 on your chest, please?" This is after asking the guy to find a camera.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#4212 - 2014-03-27 01:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirsi Kirjasto
Xuixien wrote:
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:

Its pretty simple IMO.

If Erotica 1's activities result in obvious dipshits like Sohkar removing themselves from the game - thats a win for EVE.


I agree. Erotica 1 is obviously a "sociopathic and terrible human" being for asking people to read Wikipedia pages... but deep inside some people are bitter, seething, hateful bigots. Erotica 1 exposed such a bigot, and pushed him that much closer to leaving EVE, if he hasn't already.

And for that I am thankful for Erotica 1. EVE does not need bigots.



Sohkar's bigotry didn't even bother me. I'm a big boy. I can even tolerate racists in EVE - as I'm sure the vast majority of them are still savvy enough to avoid ending up in Sohkar's position.

Its the rank stupidity that offended me, and I'm perfectly OK with having less of his sort around.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4213 - 2014-03-27 01:54:10 UTC
Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm. Which, like you highsec pubbies love to trot out whenever you can't factually counter an argument in favor of nerfing highsec, directly damages CCP's revenues.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#4214 - 2014-03-27 01:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Ripard Teg wrote:
Dribble


You're a weasel and a grass. You should be removed as csm and given a temp ban for dragging other players into the public light, namely Sohkar and his racist ranting and racial abuse of another Eve player. Whatever happens out of this, if Ero gets it, you and Sokhar had better bloody well get it too.


+1 to this.

Also quite amusing how his story changed from -

"He is also a despicable, vile, evil human being. I am ashamed to share a video game community with him." (RE: Erotica1)

to this:

"Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening."

No, Ripard - you did not "tap into a vast river of player feeling." You used your blog and your CSM position to level personal attacks against another player and unleash a 200+ page drama filled threadnaut - then tried to cover it up with your most recent comment. I don't want anyone on the CSM who causes this kind of drama. I want people on the CSM who advocate things that matter - like game balance, features, expansions, community feedback about game play, etc.

Lost my vote. Also lost a blog subscription. Really enjoyed reading you and thought as a CSM member you would rise above letting your personal feelings take over and cause you to lash out in such a unprofessional manner against a fellow Eve player. I hope you are removed from the CSM promptly.[/quote]
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#4215 - 2014-03-27 01:55:56 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm.

Are goons anti-free speech now?

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Mario Putzo
#4216 - 2014-03-27 01:56:06 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm. Which, like you highsec pubbies love to trot out whenever you can't factually counter an argument in favor of nerfing highsec, directly damages CCP's revenues.


You over use that word I think, but hey whatever one needs to do to feel accepted into the Goonion eh.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#4217 - 2014-03-27 01:56:33 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(50 more pages since I checked 3 hours ago. Somebody doing a Psychology, Sociology or even Anthropology Master's or Ph.D. could have ready-made sources for a thesis right here).


doubtful. You would get more out of watching congress for an afternoon.

Smile

But why not? You have a self-contained community group. Members of the group are expressing opinions about a controversy about the accepted mores of the group. And to express one's opinion, one has to be a verified member of the community group. Or at least an alt of a verified member of the group. You get bonus points on your thesis for addressing the uniquely internet-culture "multiple voices for one member via alts" issue.



Look at the source of the word "congress".

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4218 - 2014-03-27 01:57:53 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm.

Are goons anti-free speech now?


For highsec pubbies, hell yes.

Its a private company, free speech does not apply and libel isn't protected under free speech.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4219 - 2014-03-27 01:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Liese Shardani wrote:
At 47:55 in this clip, Erotica 1 says, "Would you also be able to with mayonnaise spell Erotica 1 on your chest, please?" This is after asking the guy to find a camera.

Perfect. Thanks. I had missed that part when I listened to it earlier.
Anslo
Scope Works
#4220 - 2014-03-27 01:58:42 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm.

Are goons anti-free speech now?


For highsec pubbies, hell yes.

Too bad.

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