EVE General Discussion

Welp, guess I'll make serious post.

This is an awesome thread, actually. Not so long ago in EVE if someone made a similar thread, or perhaps got upset over being trolled/scammed/bullied they would very quickly be laughed out of the subforum, locks applied soon after. This thread has shown that EVE's community has evolved somewhat since then. Interestingly though, so has the real world's attitude ...


This is a relevant point, especially in relation to "cyber bullying" and what constitutes it.

Genseric is right, there are no such laws to prohibit what took place in this scenario. But ... that is rapidly changing, all across the world.

Does one need to be in a disadvantaged position to qualify as being "bullied"? The answer is no. Even an employer, bullied by an employee, can qualify as being bullied despite the fact he could reprimand or even fire his bully at a moment's notice. At least where I'm from (Australia) this is quite clearly spelled out in things such as Occupational Health & Safety legislation. Your position, and any actions you could have taken to end the bullying, are irrelevant.

Similarly online - Does one need to be "trapped" in a situation to qualify as being bullied? The answer is actually ... no. For example right now where I live there is legislation before parliament called "Chloe's Law", that will most likely be passed very soon and become actual law in our state. Similar moves are being looked at by other states across the country. Now while Chloe's situation is very different to the EVE situation we're talking about here, the upshot of it is that in places like social media (and yes, even games) it makes no difference that you can deactivate your facebook, block bullies, or simply turn off your game. The pending laws will not pay any credence to that at all. Whether we like it, or not.

In the real world our communities at large don't approve of this kind of behavior when they hear of people getting hurt online, despite it often being in a very arguable context like in this thread. Whether we like it or not communities all across the world are pressuring their politicians to implement legislation that helps prevent people being trolled, scammed or bullied online in almost any form.

Imagine for a moment if the victim in this case logged off so upset that he did something stupid like take his own life. Do you really think the community at large in the real world, who've never played EVE, would agree with the posters here who say this conduct by Erotica1 is acceptable? Of course they wouldn't, and people would jump up and down demanding change, legislation, and action against CCP.

So our world is changing, it's laws are evolving, both online and off. The internet is still in it's adolescence.There will come a time in the near future where this kind of thing is indeed against some law, somewhere. Until that time comes CCP can either bask in the lawless cyber-freedom, or they can pre-empt such laws and start making some changes.

And yet calling anyone who might believe Mynna's post "mindless sheeple" and dismissing any evidence presented by Mynna "Cuz Goon" Aren't personal attacks?

You made the mistake of taking my objections to the racism too seriously, a lot of this thread is trolling after all. Though that wasn't really casual racism in the recording, that was spoken in anger which imho shows you the real person. I haven't gotten around to dropping corp yet and I don't want into PL anymore, so way ahead of you there.

Was going to put this in another post but I'll put it here. When I was growing up me and my friends who varied by the colour of our skin, socio economic background, family etc, would do worse to each other IRL then any of the weak crap in this thread. We'd throw everything from racial abuse to punches at each other and we were best friends having a laugh. And people would get hurt, and if they whined they'd get laughed at for being a pussy. And then everyone got over it. A lot of the disagreement in this thread would come down to differences in culture and upbringing. So that's my perspective on it, and if the majority think what Ero does is to much then so be it.

No dude, Erotica 1 totally asked a contestant to spread mayonnaise on himself. The contestant then went and did this! And the pictures were released.

mynna has proof. Check out some of the links she posted to unrelated things said on the Goon forums. That totally seals Erotica 1's fate.

Posting in a stealth "buff lowsec" thread.

Hmmm..as I understand it the "story" goes he asked someone to write his name in PEANUT BUTTER. So my advice would be that as long as you are into assuming, just assume that you don't know what you are talking about at the same time you assume the same for me.

Unfortunately, you did lose that bonus round, no mayo for you. BUT! In honor of our long standing friendship I will allow you to make it up to me, now I believe we were discussing peanut butter....

Its pretty simple IMO.

If Erotica 1's activities result in obvious dipshits like Sohkar removing themselves from the game - thats a win for EVE.

Yes, there was also a separate incident involving a name being written in peanut butter. This was the precursor to the mayonnaise incident. I know, it's all very hard to understand and very complicated, so don't your worry you're cute little domestic brain over it.

I agree. Erotica 1 is obviously a "sociopathic and terrible human" being for asking people to read Wikipedia pages... but deep inside some people are bitter, seething, hateful bigots. Erotica 1 exposed such a bigot, and pushed him that much closer to leaving EVE, if he hasn't already.

And for that I am thankful for Erotica 1. EVE does not need bigots.

Related side banter about moves to turn EvE into a themepark.

There is already a over two hundred pages of stuff in this thread. I doubt I can turn it into something it isn't and if you look back through my post history in the thread, I've been on topic pretty much most of the way through.