EVE General Discussion

Right. More than likely...."Oh noes!!! We cannot let an ebil scamming piwate run for CSM."

Way I understand it, he was already told by CCP to "chill out" and instead wants to strong arm them to his will with media threats.

Some CSM, huh?

Where player choice (in this fringe case, Sohkar, who chose to play. And trust me, this is a fringe case as most Bonus Rounds are pretty long and boring), is not even considered, and the people taking the verbal thrashing for being outplaying their opponent are being villainized.

But hell, what do I know?

I just hold all of the facts, from the beginning of this witch hunt in November to now.

Not just a few.

Except that the language construction you use are pretty much similar to Mr Sohkar's from the record.

And I would really expect from Mr Sohkar to be that dumb to use that anagram name for his forum alt

The guy who doesn't defend his blog in its own threadnaught.

Oh...Look it's the fun police. Look some of us here are just to ensure that other have a chance to voice their opinions. Stop threatening with your threats. That is against the EULA/TOS!

You probably should have stopped posting 100 pages ago. There is a point where if you post too much, you end up digging a hole for yourself, and begin to look really foolish.

Whatever original point you had (harping on and on about legality) has become buried by other loose comments you made later.

Take a break from this thread for 48 hours.

So how many songs can he be asked to sing? Is it 1? 5? How about 5 songs from this list? Keeping in mind.. they're being asked, no one is forcing them.



Dragging? Try asking someone to join coms. In this case Sohkar had to download Teamspeak first, he didn't have it. He did all that before he had even contracted any assets. Dragged? Hardly.



Or they could just say nothing, which given its CCP, is far more likely. They've already expressed their opinion on scamming. Their own dev's have had to sing songs on TS to save their fleets. So they need do nothing. In fact they have done something before, although not publicly. Someone else in the thread reported of at least two times before Erotica 1's activities were reviewed and CCP asked for adjustments. If that happened, I don't recall any Dev threads about it.



To me, and I think some others in this thread, they have codified that there is a standard of conduct. That scamming, ransoming, and TS recording sessions are an acceptable part of Eve. It seems these things are allowed because *sandbox*, and because the "victim" has a choice in participating. Where they seem to draw a line and call it griefing or harrasement is when the victim does not have a choice. Such as when they ruled on "bumping" of miners and only called it griefing if the victim moves several systems away and the bumper follows.

This entire thread and controversy is about some people who read a blog post, a smaller subset who listened to the recording, and got a terrible case of "The Feels". How anyone can feel sympathetic to a racist with RL death fantasies over a video game is beyond me, but I recognize that they do. But in fact, what happened is a story as old as Eve and the "victim" could have not participated at all, or quit at any time.

Not arbitrary as such, no.

I'd decide based on my interpretation of the situation given the facts at hand. After my client had lost his rag once already and was clearly going to lose it big time if this went on in the subtle and cleverly constructed manner it does - to make people quit by their own decision - even if that takes hours

Then yes, I'd consider that a cutoff and it could even be in The Rules - rulle 427(b): A client shall not lose their temper or demonstrate emotional instability.

I'd basically be deciding when enough was enough and things were going beyond The Game.

More than 150 pages of posts and nothing constructive yet.

I said what I had to say earlier. I had to puke multiple times because of the pretendingly honest posts from Erotica 1.
But I will not join the debates again.

Now, I am waiting for CCP to share with us what they have decided on this matter. I am quite surprised it took them so long, especially as they were aware of this recording for one entire month, as it appears to be.

Having not seen a significant word from them yet, I am inclined to believe they don't care and will endorse what happened eventually. As I will certainly not find my place in a community ready to welcome such behaviors without raising an eyebrow, I have to act by the only mean of action that could potentially be effective, my wallet.

So, I am starting the count down now: 20 hours till I cancel my accounts definitely.

I know, this desperate move is useless, but all that evil needs to prevail is for the good men to do nothing, I am sure you know this quote.
And no, you cannot have my stuff, without any sign of CCP within 20 hours, I will trash and biomass everything in a final demonstration of the lack of value of virtual assets in a game. We shouldn't have had to discuss for more than 150 pages here, as there is no admittable debate to have when the dignity of a human being and the decency of a community are at stake.

Has CCP made a comment on this issue since the first one telling us all to be polite to each other? 158 pages and it's still going strong.

It does seem like the use of this 'bonus room' idea is premeditated in that I think others have said the conversation was moved from EVE voice to a TS channel. So Erotica 1 probably knew beforehand that there could be some comeback on him if he conducted his actions through EVE voice.

I also don't understand why Erotica 1 didn't realise it had gone too far once the victims wife intervened and started asking Erotica 1 what was happening. Would he like this to happen to one of his family members, wife or children?

A lot of replies are focusing on the anger of the victim directed at Erotica 1 on the sound recording and on possibly violent suggestions towards Erotica 1 within replies to this post. People will react in different ways to being bullied and some will react aggressively and/or with violence. It's completely understandable if you mess with people to expect a reaction. Play with fire and you will get burned.

Yeah, that was stupid.

You, however, have no business talking about disgusting.

You've gone too far to have any authority on that subject.

This isn't about the scam.
It's about the way you treated that man.

I'm not one of those who think that CCP should ban you.
I'm not against scamming, either.
And yes, I've seen far worse than this.

But players like you are a large part of what drives people away from EVE, and I'd rather have ten more newbies around, rather than a "content creator" like you.