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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3181 - 2014-03-26 17:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:




Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.


I think that Wormhole did something to you.

Maybe I should report you for creepy comments about cages and monkeys?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
stoicfaux
#3182 - 2014-03-26 17:39:37 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Anyone who has actually listened to the entirety of sohkar's bonus room should be left with little sympathy for him but that's beside the point. The bonus room is just talking, and you are in no way locked in there. Many bonus rooms are in fact fun for everyone involved, and some pay out but again that's not important.

What is important is that Ripard Teg is using his position to raise what is little less than a lynch mob. Eject him from CSM now.

Errr... if there's nothing wrong with the bonus room, then there's nothing wrong with Ripard's blog as well?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Big Lynx
#3183 - 2014-03-26 17:39:43 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3184 - 2014-03-26 17:40:52 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Would you like me to also quote the rest of the posts where you condone the use of real life violence being inflicted upon Erotica? Or are you going to shut up before you look like a complete and utter tool?

Well if you are going to raise such a serious allegation against me, you had better do so.

And you had better do so convincingly because I will therafter contact CCP that you are making very serious false and libelous allegations towards me.

Ccp have been reading this as well you know, and they are just ad likely to remember it as any of us.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3185 - 2014-03-26 17:41:19 UTC
Salvos, I apologize for assuming that you were Mrs Sohkar. You can understand how I would be led to that belief seeing as that you used her same mannerisms and wording on several occasions. Am I wrong in assuming then, that you are either a relative or a "powerful friend in game" of Mr Sohkar? As Xui said above, it does seem like you have a personal stake in this, and the fact that your first name translates to "save" and the last name is an anagram of "Sokhar" pretty much confirms that.

What I will not apologize for asking you to be polite and to stop insulting people. In that, I will not budge.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3186 - 2014-03-26 17:41:19 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Anyone who has actually listened to the entirety of sohkar's bonus room should be left with little sympathy for him but that's beside the point. The bonus room is just talking, and you are in no way locked in there. Many bonus rooms are in fact fun for everyone involved, and some pay out but again that's not important.

What is important is that Ripard Teg is using his position to raise what is little less than a lynch mob. Eject him from CSM now.


No no, they're under DURESS.

Erotica 1 has their SPACE PIXELS!!!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3187 - 2014-03-26 17:41:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:


Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
I have not once called for Erotica1 to be banned. What I advocate is that it should be defined that this is unacceptable behaviour and we (the community) and they (CCP) do not want to be associated (through EVE) with it. Should this occur and subsequently anyone continues to do 'Bonus Rooms' where the only intent is to humiliate a person (not a character) for as long as possible, then yes, pass me the banstick.


Since you seem to know what you're talking about, which part of the behavior do you find to be unacceptable? And would you be okay with some rule that would be typically unenforceable should the perpetrators be less than willing to brag about their conquest?


I find unacceptable that the purpose of this bonus room is purely to humiliate a Mark for as long as possible.

I think it is expressly acceptable to scam, lie and cheat within the game. It's one of the things I like about EVE. There's a character that posted in here from Calamitous Intent. I hate that f*cker. I'm going to blow up his ship, rip him from his pod and do unspeakable things to his rapidly cooling corpse.

Well, Lucretia will. Me? I'll buy the player a pint and we'll laugh about how they totally ganked our expensive command ships in lowsec that time. Man, that was a good fight.

That's the difference to me. EVE is becoming too meta.

Where it becomes unacceptable is to perpetrate an elaborate scam that would not / could not occur in game due to mechanics, technology or potential EULA violations by external means and revel in the humiliation of a person. This has gone beyond their character and The Game into being a targeted attempt to see how far you can push a person.

Granted, I know it will be difficult and at times impossible to substantiate claims of external misconduct. However, I still feel that CCP need to make it known whether they support this behaviour or would state that they deem it unacceptable to go beyond the bounds of The Game into greifing/scamming the people that play.

I'm not expecting CCP to mollify every butthurt gank victim - that's not what this is about to me. I feel they should make efforts to identify and investigate cases such as this, where I believe that the intent of the terms of conduct in the EULA have been broken. If CCP find that the evidence available suggests that one or more players have gone over the line (which is a subjective measure) then they can take action within their control.

The other main thing I feel we should do is as a community, by not condoning this kind of behaviour and defining that The Game is a different place, where we will happily kill you and take all your stuff. But talk to us at a player gathering or on our voice comms and we're respectful, normal people who don't desire to cause people real world pain and suffering.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#3188 - 2014-03-26 17:41:55 UTC
"His bone is with the bullying and the psychological abuse and humiliation that takes place in the bonus room."

Which doesn't exist.

The crap that goes on in 'The Bonus Room' is no different than what people have been doing on game/reality shows for decades.

And they do it for the money/fame. Mostly for the money.

Same idea applies. If it wasn't for their greed overriding their so-called 'common sense', anyone invited into 'The Bonus Room' would quit in the first 30 seconds.

And all they lose is fake internet space money. And oh yeah, the rest of us get to laugh at them as they completely lose their minds and start screaming like spoiled 2-year olds, which emotionally is exactly what they are. And since they are using their EVE-O names, they aren't even 'humiliated' for real. Just in the community of EVE, which, last time I checked, was notorious for this stuff.

I love it when they start issuing death threats and actually engage in real criminal behavior. That's right boys and girls, threatening to find someone and kill or assault them IS enough to get you actually truly for the really-reals ARRESTED. People do get convicted for it. Erotica1 takes it all in stride, since the vast majority of people issuing such threats (especially people that play on-line games) are cowards.

As for 'bullying'......I love how that has become the catch-all phrase for losers and other morons to describe average human behavior. Somebody beats you at Monopoly? Bully. Football team stomps another team 100-0? Bullies. These morons don't even recognize real bullying since they have apparently been brainwashed by their incompetent parents to call ANYTHING which doesn't give them what they want 'bullying.'

So here's to Erotica1, teaching valuable life lessons to morons in EVE for free.
Maybe one of Erotica's 'victims' will actually avoid a REAL fraud or scam because of what happened to them in The Bonus Room. One can only hope, anyway.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#3189 - 2014-03-26 17:42:38 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
...



Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.

Talking about crossing a line. I really really hope this backfires right into your face. Even if it isn't true.

I have seen a lot of toxic crap of all the wannabe white knights in this thread, but this is probably the most disgusting thing I have seen so far.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3190 - 2014-03-26 17:42:41 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
...



Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.


This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.


Well, don't act like an innocent now, you surely knew what would happen, you have gone too far for a purpose, and that is called provocation and manipulation. Don't pretend to be a decent person.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3191 - 2014-03-26 17:42:48 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
but Ero and friends didn't do so to cause in real life mental distress. To try and get some tears? Sure,


Wat?

Making someone cry seems pretty RL distressful to me.

Mr Epeen Cool


He never cried. Yelled a lot, but not cry.

Way to try and lie your way into looking like you know what you're talking about.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3192 - 2014-03-26 17:43:17 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Masao Kurata wrote:
Anyone who has actually listened to the entirety of sohkar's bonus room should be left with little sympathy for him but that's beside the point. The bonus room is just talking, and you are in no way locked in there. Many bonus rooms are in fact fun for everyone involved, and some pay out but again that's not important.

What is important is that Ripard Teg is using his position to raise what is little less than a lynch mob. Eject him from CSM now.

Errr... if there's nothing wrong with the bonus room, then there's nothing wrong with Ripard's blog as well?



Turns out he didn't listen to the recording. It sounds like a personal grudge to me.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3193 - 2014-03-26 17:43:39 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.





I don't think CCP cares about losing one unknown player. They're not going to permanently remove a content creator over it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#3194 - 2014-03-26 17:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Xuixien wrote:
But believe me, Savlos argued so vehemently about it that he definitely has some stake in it.

Thanks for vouching I am not him, or his wife. The similarity in names is amusing, but entirely coincidental.

I just really don't agree with what Erotica1 is doing.

On a moral level and from what I perceive as really serious problems with the legality of it.

I understand that some people enjoy the recordings, but they genuinely seriously make me cringe on a very fundamental level.

I don't like people being exploited so severely for their stupidity, lack of understanding, or possible labileness.
This is a game. I dont want people to suffer in it like this, no matter who they are.

I appreciate that EVE involves, endorses and supports scamming. I appreciate that player aggression is also one of the things that makes this game great. But listening to these recordings I can't, as a person, support it. To me, its like standing by and watching some weak kid get bullied, or an elderly woman being harassed. I hate using the term, but thats exactly how it makes me "feel".

I understand the circumstances are different.
The financial element of the assets is minute, but its something I want gone from the game.

I can't ever just co-exist with it in EVE. I will always resist it in anyway that I can for as long as either it, or I, whichever comes first, are still in the game.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3195 - 2014-03-26 17:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
By the way guys, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet.. But it's not torture when the person wants to do it. Idea

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Mario Putzo
#3196 - 2014-03-26 17:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Well if you are going to raise such a serious allegation against me, you had better do so.
And you had better do so convincingly because I will therafter contact CCP that you are making very serious false and libelous allegations towards me.



Mario Putzo wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
As long as he doesn't get drunk and utter death threats

Well considering his level of agitation in the recording, I'd be quite worried if I was Erotica1.


Why if Erotica 1 gets assaulted then he can get some real world isk out of the exchange as well. Its funny how ACTUAL breaking of laws works.




Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Yes. Presuming he survives the encounter.



Pages 102-104 for the context.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#3197 - 2014-03-26 17:47:02 UTC
This **** is totally blown out of proportion.

Just my 2c.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#3198 - 2014-03-26 17:47:09 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
But believe me, Savlos argued so vehemently about it that he definitely has some stake in it.

Thanks for vouching I am not him, or his wife. The similarity in names is amusing, but entirely coincidental.

I just really don't agree with what Erotica1 is doing.

On a moral level and from what I perceive as really serious problems with the legality of it.

I understand that some people enjoy the recordings, but they genuinely seriously make me cringe on a very fundamental level.

I don't like people being exploited so severely for their stupidity, lack of understanding, or possible labileness.
This is a game. I dont want people to suffer in it like this, no matter who they are.

I appreciate that EVE involves, endorses and supports scamming. I appreciate that player aggression is also one of the things that makes this game great. But listening to these recordings I can't, as a person, support it. To me, its like standing by and watching some weak kid get bullied, or an elderly woman being harassed. I hate using the term, but thats exactly how it makes me "feel".

I understand the circumstances are different.
The financial element of the assets is minute, but its something I want gone from the game.

I can't ever just co-exist with it in EVE. I will always resist it in anyway that I can for as long as either it, or I, whichever comes first, are still in the game.

Take it you went for that walk and calmed down enough to post like a rational human being then? Well done and keep it up! Smile
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3199 - 2014-03-26 17:47:09 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
olan2005 wrote:

What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far


They broke nothing in the EULA.

They use TS because it is better quality, more stable and can record things. This was a bog standard bonus room.


Section 6 Part C

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

Terms of service point 4 - Anti Social Behaviour E.G the prolonged abuse of another player (human being) not the avatar

quote "You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy."

link =]https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/

I suppose the quality of his singing "could" be considered abuse, but that puts the shoe on the other foot.

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Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#3200 - 2014-03-26 17:47:48 UTC
Alyth Nerun wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
...



Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.

Talking about crossing a line. I really really hope this backfires right into your face. Even if it isn't true.

I have seen a lot of toxic crap of all the wannabe white knights in this thread, but this is probably the most disgusting thing I have seen so far.


I will take the word of someone from CODE with less than a grain of salt on this matter. because your goal in game is to do the same general thing, only not to the extent E1 did, and honestly i think given the chance, most loyal-to-James CODEies would do the same thing as E1 did if instructed to. My opinion of course, but having CODE weight in is like having a Cartel member try and defend a caught cartel member in a different country

O tempora o mores!