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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2721 - 2014-03-26 13:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
olan2005 wrote:
3 - CCP need to implement a guideline policy for these situations .SCAMMING SHOULD STAY LEGAL , but PROLONGED TEAR EXTRACTION , should BE ADVISED AGAINST. It should be understood if you take it TOO FAR (as in this case) THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES


They already have a policy on harassment and if anything, they should clarify what that means and include any particular boundary within the existing policy.

To me that would be the neatest way to deal with this and then move on. No bans, just a line relating to harassment that is a little broader than it currently is.

We don't need more protections, just clearer guidelines around boundary issues that help everyone determine when something should be stopped, not because CCP has a better moral compass than the players, but because things like the bonus room, asking ransom victims in game to sing, etc. should be allowed to continue as long as they comply.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2722 - 2014-03-26 13:41:36 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You do realize that, to enter a bonus round, that person must approach E1's isk doubling service first?

The entire scam, from beginning to end, which escalates to outside the game, is a selection process for victims.

Only those stupid or otherwise impaired enough to participate in the bonus round, ever approach Erotica1's doubling service in the first place. These stupid or labile victims are then exploited for purposes of enjoying their suffering in the out of game Bonus Room event. This, ofc, after they have already been (legitimately) parted from ALL their assets.


Utterly false. I myself have had my isk doubled by Erotica1 twice. It's perfectly legit, provided you can actually read.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
YZertim
Shadow State
Goonswarm Federation
#2723 - 2014-03-26 13:41:39 UTC
CCP should think about the impact on the game if this sort of thing was covered by mainstream media.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2724 - 2014-03-26 13:41:40 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
No, there is not.

Exactly as I expected.

The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find.

That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems.

There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false.


Shut up about real life laws to try to justify the actions of degenerates.

CCP is the law and its customers are the voters.

If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.



So Mob rule then. Trust me you really don't want to see where that can go.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#2725 - 2014-03-26 13:42:49 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:


If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.


The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2726 - 2014-03-26 13:43:44 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Something that I always wonder about such threadnaughts, is how much of it is a small handful of very prolific posters driving the post count, compared to number of posters having an opinion.

Say the mods are following the thread, there is little way one person can keep track; I do wonder if they have tools to "deconstruct" the thread and get a feel for how many people are really talking. Just as an example, imagine if the mods could pull out all Kaarous and Salvos posts (no offense guys, you are just good examples), and see how many pages the thread drops by just from those two poster alone.

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

/c

That is really kinda awesome, thanks :)
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#2727 - 2014-03-26 13:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: LordOfDespair
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.


The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.


This 137 page thread and multiple news articles disagree.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2728 - 2014-03-26 13:45:04 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:

The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.


...until it happens to them.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#2729 - 2014-03-26 13:45:23 UTC
You seem to forget there is a hostage in all of this. The persons online assets. Which are forfeited if he doesn't play along. He believes at least for a time he can recover his stuff if he goes along with the humiliating hazing like activities.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2730 - 2014-03-26 13:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
LordOfDespair wrote:
Shut up about real life laws to try to justify the actions of degenerates.

CCP is the law and its customers are the voters.

If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.


You might need to go back to early in the thread to see the history of this. I'm not trying to justify anything through the law. That was done by others.

I agree totally on CCP (and more importantly the player community) being the end of the issue.
Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
#2731 - 2014-03-26 13:46:10 UTC
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
If The House had already taken all his money and fed it into the slot machine, and told him the only way he was getting it back would be to win the costume contest dressed as a chicken singing Waltzing Matilda whilst streaming live to the internet, then it would be more accurate.


I loled IRL. Quite so, and were our contestant to willingly suit up and start flapping, we would not say he was being subjected to torture. We would say that he was a consenting adult making a choice, and possibly even having fun doing it.
Lady Areola Fappington
#2732 - 2014-03-26 13:46:25 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
No, there is not.

Exactly as I expected.

The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find.

That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems.

There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false.



Hey, if people feel THAT strongly that Ero 1 has broken laws and deserves punishment...well, these people need to contact the local authorities to get the ball rolling.

Specifically, you'd likely need to talk to your local DA. Should you be able to convince them that there's a case to pick up, they'll be able to subpoena CCP and build a criminal case.



Or, more likely, the DA will go "lol whut, this is video games" and laugh uproariously.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Asia Leigh
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#2733 - 2014-03-26 13:46:47 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.


The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.


^^ This

Also most people who do read the forums knew about this a month ago as I stated earlier... Which is why I'm wondering why the 9 million page thread now and not when this hit the forums last month. As stated before I think their is more to this story then what we are being led to believe.
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Salvos Rhoska
#2734 - 2014-03-26 13:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Utterly false. I myself have had my isk doubled by Erotica1 twice. It's perfectly legit, provided you can actually read.


First of all, the fact that you had your isk doubled, does not mean that all had their isk doubled.
Your claim to legitimising this is only by your own anectodal evidence.

Second, it does not disprove my assessment of the mechanics of the scam, as a designed selection process for potential stupid or labile victims who are unlikely to be capable of fulfilling the out of game demands (for the enjoyment of sadists listening in), are stupid enough to believe it in the first place and finally who are most likely to explode in emotional outburst sooner or later in the Bonus Round situation.

But ok. Prove it. Where is the recording?

Are you speaking about doubling, or the Bonus Room now?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#2735 - 2014-03-26 13:47:03 UTC
YZertim wrote:
CCP should think about the impact on the game if this sort of thing was covered by mainstream media.


This would be awesome. More players to Eve. :)
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#2736 - 2014-03-26 13:48:54 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.


The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.


Its not he eve players that we need to worry about. It wasn't the eve players that got Mittani banned, its the way it gets reported out by the gaming media sites / main stream media. It only takes them to do some shitposting that will give CCP heartburn like what happend with the Fanfest incident for them to take what ever action they deem best for the protection of their integrity and reputation in the industry.

Our opinions are worth very little in this case, those of the outside world are what will sway this one. CCP likely don't want to clean shop on this, but I feel they will be manipulated to the point of no return by outside influences and that doesn't mean the CSM or the drivel we all post here.
Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
#2737 - 2014-03-26 13:50:11 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
You seem to forget there is a hostage in all of this. The persons online assets. Which are forfeited if he doesn't play along. He believes at least for a time he can recover his stuff if he goes along with the humiliating hazing like activities.


Which he had to go to some considerable effort to willingly hand over. Personal responsibility is hard, isn't it?
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2738 - 2014-03-26 13:50:33 UTC
YZertim wrote:
CCP should think about the impact on the game if this sort of thing was covered by mainstream media.


It will be

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2739 - 2014-03-26 13:50:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Utterly false. I myself have had my isk doubled by Erotica1 twice. It's perfectly legit, provided you can actually read.


First of all, the fact that you had your isk doubled, does not mean that all had their isk doubled.
Your claim to legitimising this is only by your own anectodal evidence.

But ok. Prove it. Where is the recording?

Are you speaking about doubling, or the Bonus Room now?


Of course not everyone has had their isk doubled. If you fail to play by the rules of the game(which are pretty much just reading comprehension), you lose.

Duh.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#2740 - 2014-03-26 13:50:45 UTC
Everybody needs to stop assuming that the victims are perfectly healthy minded individuals.

"You deserve it if you fall for THAT scam."

"He could of left whenever he wanted!"

You have no idea who that person is, or what their life is right now.

He could be impaired someway mentally or not in the right state of mind. Does that make it right to abuse them for personal pleasure?