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Trance Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2301 - 2014-03-26 08:41:51 UTC
Personally I'd just ban them both for a year, but that's just me.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2302 - 2014-03-26 08:42:28 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I'm 100% expecting a ban for Erotica 1. Even if only half the people are pissed off at him, that is a lot of pissed off people.


btw we are also pissed of about the mittani, can we also expect him banned?.... grrrr goons

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2303 - 2014-03-26 08:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Navi Annages
Trance Oskold wrote:
Personally I'd just ban them both for a year, but that's just me.


Yea I'd like to ban those single people that drop sov for huge alliances and ruin tens of thousands of man hours of gameplay for others. But hey, the world ain't just.

And here we are talking about Oscar Meyer Racist Sohkar instead of talking about real Eve issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#2304 - 2014-03-26 08:44:01 UTC
Trance Oskold wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:


very stubborn point of view. there are ppl in this world who can't defend themselves (Sakhor) and ppl who take advantage out of it (Ero).
Everyone who approves or defends that behaviour of Ero's group has a distorted perception of healthy social interaction. period.



And where did I say I support ero and his group of friends? >.>

All I said is that the person who got scammed in this case is equally at fault if not more so. Where as a **** victim, robbery victim, or murder victim doesn't have any choice weather or not they become a victim or not, this guy and every idiot who has or will fall for this scam does have a choice. That choice is don't be a greedy bastard...


It's actually more than that now. Since this has been pointed out and there is an audio recording of the event that's been published in many different places online, it's making CCP look bad. They will have to take action of some sort.


True, but from my understanding all of his 'bonus room' scams are recorded and posted on his blog. This is something that has been going on for months now and really isn't anything new. If they were going to do anything about this they would have done so long ago.

And for the last time, I am in no way condoning what ero is doing, as I'm not a scammer myself and don't condone it. Just saying that everything done seems to be with in the rules, and to bend them in this case because of some bad press, will put the game heading in a direction we would rather not have it go.

Just my 2 cents
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Bjurn Akely
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2305 - 2014-03-26 08:44:05 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Bjurn Akely wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:


Great. Then we can tell CNN about how a racist was flaming in a TS3 channel with underage teens listening. Oh yea thats gonna fly well.


I agree. That too will be spun as how bad videogames are. You don't get it, do you? If this hit the wrong news we can not win.


Um I personally don't play COD but I have heard the 12-17 year olds tearing each other to pieces on there. Do you see console companies doing anything real about it. ummmmm no. Get a life. Video games are about the role playing experience. If you don't like the sadism then go take a look at second life. Screwed up people in there.


We are not discussing what is going on in those games. If you want to do that I suggest you do that on those games forums. Also, that things happen in other games holds no bearing on what is either right or interesting to this discussion.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2306 - 2014-03-26 08:46:02 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

No, I am not saying he did. Someone else. Doesn't matter.

Well, you being blackmailed (with RL things no less) seems to be one of the central points of the case you laid out, and that these same people are railroading you "on an almost daily basis in the forums."

I would assume you have some supporting info or evidence to back up this claim. Blackmail is a pretty serious accusation after all, and should be treated as such.


yes

Well, why not post this evidence? If your reputation has been so badly tarnished by these individuals, should you not "clear your name," as it were?

There is, after all, no reason to protect them. It's not as if they'd welcome you back into the fold with open arms.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2307 - 2014-03-26 08:46:38 UTC
Bjurn Akely wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Bjurn Akely wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:


Great. Then we can tell CNN about how a racist was flaming in a TS3 channel with underage teens listening. Oh yea thats gonna fly well.


I agree. That too will be spun as how bad videogames are. You don't get it, do you? If this hit the wrong news we can not win.


Um I personally don't play COD but I have heard the 12-17 year olds tearing each other to pieces on there. Do you see console companies doing anything real about it. ummmmm no. Get a life. Video games are about the role playing experience. If you don't like the sadism then go take a look at second life. Screwed up people in there.


We are not discussing what is going on in those games. If you want to do that I suggest you do that on those games forums. Also, that things happen in other games holds no bearing on what is either right or interesting to this discussion.


Sure it does. IP is IP and at the end of the day all business related precedents are free game under the law. Meaning ALL gaming companies cannot take a simple HARD LINE approach but instead are forced to the sidelines for the users to generate content. Or did you simply mean we should all play hello kitty land?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2308 - 2014-03-26 08:46:50 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Keeping aside from the slightly rabid arguements, one question keeps popping up that no-one has answered, that seemed pretty obvious to me.

A lot of people have asked what the point of the bonus room, when they already had his stuff (and attributing it to malice or perversion)

Well, that one struck me as obvious straight away. Wait for it, those asking the question will likely burst out laughing in disbelief, but bare with me.

Its legitimacy.

Yeah, you heard that right. Ero's shtick has always been that he is the only one who does exactly what he says he does, the only one who doesn't scam, doesn't cheat his marks. That is the point of what was going on - to make the participant give up, and lose, hence making the loss of his items due to the fact he backed out (right at the last minute, of course). Regardless of the circumstances of the matter, he is able to, every time, state truthfully that the 'loser' gave up. Sure, the guy never had a chance, but if Ero walked with the items at any point, before the participant gave up of his own free will, that undermines his whole ethos and reputation.


We're not arguing about the point of the Bonus Room, we're arguing about the means that Erotica 1 uses to get the "loser" to quit or fail or lose.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Trance Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2309 - 2014-03-26 08:46:57 UTC
dexington wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I'm 100% expecting a ban for Erotica 1. Even if only half the people are pissed off at him, that is a lot of pissed off people.


btw we are also pissed of about the mittani, can we also expect him banned?.... grrrr goons


Speaking of The Mittani- this reminds me a lot of how he did his PowerPoint presentation on what he did to The Wiz, and the fallout that happened from that. People thought it was funny at first, but then realized the torment that was really happening to people in game.
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2310 - 2014-03-26 08:49:12 UTC
dexington wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I'm 100% expecting a ban for Erotica 1. Even if only half the people are pissed off at him, that is a lot of pissed off people.


btw we are also pissed of about the mittani, can we also expect him banned?.... grrrr goons


That's a legit counter point. Are you referring to mittanigate or the CFC turning null in to a blue fest? As far as mittanigate I think he was very apologetic about the whole thing. The Mittani also has the added bonus of being a pretty nice and helpful person other than that one incident.

I would also add that the Mittani has social skills and has not been entirely bad for the game.

As far as the blue doughnut, that wouldn't be anywhere near bannable but I do know rules changes are being proposed so null could be broken up somehow.

Personally I wouldn't compare Mittens to this psychopath. Mit said some crappy things while drunk behind somebodies back, so have I. This Erotica person consciously toyed with someones emotions and inflicted pain for his own amusement.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2311 - 2014-03-26 08:49:13 UTC
dexington wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
By "sold some resale rights stuff" did you mean "I sold pirated DVDs"?


It was homemade pornography.


That explains Erotica 1's character name, and insistence on mayo pics from his victims.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Bjurn Akely
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2312 - 2014-03-26 08:51:09 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:


Sure it does. IP is IP and at the end of the day all business related precedents are free game under the law. Meaning ALL gaming companies cannot take a simple HARD LINE approach but instead are forced to the sidelines for the users to generate content. Or did you simply mean we should all play hello kitty land?


You'll have to explain that further, cause you're not making sense to me.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#2313 - 2014-03-26 08:51:15 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
sorry mate. your one sided view of things has paralyzed my legs.


One sided how? I wish you would reread my first post in this thread. I call them both idiots not just one or the other. Can we just agree that both parties behaved extremely poorly and some of this may have been bought on himself due to his own stupidity. Nowhere did I say I absolved ero of any responsibility here. Just saying that the guy who got scammed did have a choice to participate or not to participate...

That's all my post was trying to get through.

Still waiting for you to catch up >.>
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Big Lynx
#2314 - 2014-03-26 08:51:25 UTC
There is one difference between Sakhor and Ero. Sakhor apologized for his behavious in the end. Listen attentively.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2315 - 2014-03-26 08:52:24 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

No, I am not saying he did. Someone else. Doesn't matter.

Well, you being blackmailed (with RL things no less) seems to be one of the central points of the case you laid out, and that these same people are railroading you "on an almost daily basis in the forums."

I would assume you have some supporting info or evidence to back up this claim. Blackmail is a pretty serious accusation after all, and should be treated as such.


yes


Share this evidence with us. We want to believe that you are a good person. Once the blackmail evidence is rendered inert we will be able to see that you are the good person you know yourself to be.

Have faith in the community!

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Trance Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2316 - 2014-03-26 08:53:05 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
dexington wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I'm 100% expecting a ban for Erotica 1. Even if only half the people are pissed off at him, that is a lot of pissed off people.


btw we are also pissed of about the mittani, can we also expect him banned?.... grrrr goons


That's a legit counter point. Are you referring to mittanigate or the CFC turning null in to a blue fest? As far as mittanigate I think he was very apologetic about the whole thing. The Mittani also has the added bonus of being a pretty nice and helpful person other than that one incident.

I would also add that the Mittani has social skills and has not been entirely bad for the game.

As far as the blue doughnut, that wouldn't be anywhere near bannable but I do know rules changes are being proposed so null could be broken up somehow.

Personally I wouldn't compare Mittens to this psychopath. Mit said some crappy things while drunk behind somebodies back, so have I. This Erotica person consciously toyed with someones emotions and inflicted pain for his own amusement.


Regardless- CCP did take action against The Mittani. What do you think that means for Erotica 1? Expect some kind of punishment.
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2317 - 2014-03-26 08:58:03 UTC
Trance Oskold wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
dexington wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I'm 100% expecting a ban for Erotica 1. Even if only half the people are pissed off at him, that is a lot of pissed off people.


btw we are also pissed of about the mittani, can we also expect him banned?.... grrrr goons


That's a legit counter point. Are you referring to mittanigate or the CFC turning null in to a blue fest? As far as mittanigate I think he was very apologetic about the whole thing. The Mittani also has the added bonus of being a pretty nice and helpful person other than that one incident.

I would also add that the Mittani has social skills and has not been entirely bad for the game.

As far as the blue doughnut, that wouldn't be anywhere near bannable but I do know rules changes are being proposed so null could be broken up somehow.

Personally I wouldn't compare Mittens to this psychopath. Mit said some crappy things while drunk behind somebodies back, so have I. This Erotica person consciously toyed with someones emotions and inflicted pain for his own amusement.


Regardless- CCP did take action against The Mittani. What do you think that means for Erotica 1? Expect some kind of punishment.


And I cant wait, because I think he is a scum bag and deserves it.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#2318 - 2014-03-26 08:58:13 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I do still plan on running a legitimate EVE bank anyway very soon! I'll keep everyone posted on that.


Actual laugh out loud moments are pretty rare for me but this was pure gold!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2319 - 2014-03-26 08:59:47 UTC
Bjurn Akely wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:


Sure it does. IP is IP and at the end of the day all business related precedents are free game under the law. Meaning ALL gaming companies cannot take a simple HARD LINE approach but instead are forced to the sidelines for the users to generate content. Or did you simply mean we should all play hello kitty land?


You'll have to explain that further, cause you're not making sense to me.


Simple Terms : If the EULA is not breached within the constricts of the fictional world of eve online then CCP is powerless.

Whatever occured outside the confines of eve online is up to the authorities. Now be attentive for this next part.

What constitutes a bigger threat? Making life threatening remarks or goading someone a lil over ts3? You choose. We all know a judge will laugh at this and toss it out or take it serious and put Sohkar in a Orange jumpsuit. Erotica's behavior may be immoral to some but to the real world they do this...../Shrug Shoulders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2320 - 2014-03-26 09:00:39 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
And I cant wait, because I think he is a scum bag and deserves it.

This thread has run its course I think.

Nothing now other than the same issues coming up again from earlier in the thread and a continuation of the personal attacks.

It's not serving any useful purpose anymore and whatever the outcome, we shouldn't be continuing to vilify any member of the community, no matter what our personal feelings about them are.