EVE General Discussion

It's interesting to see how Erotica's behavior is basically a carbon copy of school bully behavior. The bonus room is nothing more than a bully grabbing a kids bag (or coaxing them to hand it over under friendly pretense) and then making the kid do all kinds of humiliating things in order to get it back. And as with all bullies, this sort of behavior is magnified when the bully has friends who cheer him on (otherwise too scared to intervene in fear of becoming the group's next victim or being thrown out of the group).

Now any school bully would, at some point, be forced to stop. Being it a teacher who intervenes, other kids stepping up or the victim themselves punching them in the gut when pushed too far. But this is the internet. And if there's one place where being a bully is easy, it's the internet. No-one to intervene and the victim in this case is powerless to get back at you. No risk of being punched in the gut in these parts! Would that ability exist, Erotica would have had his ass kicked a long damn time ago and quit his bullying.

The only satisfactory thing we can probably take from this is that Erotica, in real life, is probably on the ass end of this scenario. Being the victim of real life school bullying himself in some degree. I assume he's still in school because I hope no adult person with actual responsibilities in real life does this (or any) amount of online bullying and gets enjoyment out of it.

All in all nothing about this shocks me.

1. Regular people tend to turn into massive sadistic trolls and ***holes on the internet because there is no risk of someone punching you in the face, ever. Not shocking.
2. EVE Roleplaying and 'he should have known better' being used as an excuse too justify bullying behavior within the game. Not shocking.
3. Naive victims in EVE Online who get scammed. Not shocking.
4. Those same victims losing all their stuff and either being humiliated or insulted afterwards. Not shocking.

I can understand how easily one gets dragged into a bullying mode though, especially with friends around things tend to go too far too fast. But where normal people look back a few hours later and go 'oh, sh*t, that really went too far...', there are sadistic children like Erotica who happily do it over and over without a sign of guilt or remorse.

Should the guy be banned for the scam? No. Scamming is part of EVE and he actually does a good job at running it from what I can tell.
Should the guy be banned for being an online bully? No, absolutely not. But CCP should make it clear that online bullying like this is unacceptable, period. There is a very distinct line between interacting with an in-game character and bullying a human being. And I would have no problem with CCP enforcing that line.

Anyway, should Erotica1 ever show his face at Fanfest or the CSM and someone decides to roundhouse kick him to the floor... well... I just hope he won't act surprised over it.

Hey malcanis this one is just for you;

The argumente of the gays has nothing to do with this conversation, way to use false cause hmmm?
here's to avoid falacy's for your enjoyment:
http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

I belive jester trek is right in this blog, it is true CCP is not responsible for RL acts, but theses actions are taking in acount that they use CCP game and virtual assets to both hunt and torture their victims.

I am all for the ganks and the lols from the scams but this is pushing too far, there has to be a point where enough is enough and using EvE has a means to do and promote this kind of behaviours just put's us all has a comunity in both a bad light has well the company.

I dunno what kind of action should be taken, but if i recall in some countries this kind of action can be tied to both blackmail and torture, if EvE is the middle ground for this to happen then CCP can very well be legaly responsible for their playerbase actions.

But i am no lawyers, my opinion is simply this is too far and too much, i like a gank like the next EvE player, but that does not mean this kind of action can pass up...

Nope.

Because I have not conducted myself in any fashion that would warrant a ban, or even consideration of one :)

Erotica1 has. Repeatedly and with extremely compelling evidence in heaps.

Go ahead. Play this recording over loudspeakers at the next Fanfest, maybe even at the unveiling of the Monument.
I double dare you. Certainly the recording is a shining example of EVEs community and would do great honor and justice to that event, dont you think?

It is definitely not good when people are taking adwantage of someone elses greed. Same as Being greedy is not a good way to go. But these are their own choices. You can't blame CCP that they have given you choice to be yourself in the game and out of it.

Bingo. Idk what kind of powerless, spineless person you have to be to think that hurt feelings equates to actual violence.

As you wish.

French Code Penal article 223-13. Google it, linking doesnt work for some reason. Here is a pastebin of it.

http://pastebin.com/DJ2h7rrJ

Roughly translated

"The fact of incitating suicide from a person is punished by three years of imprisonment and a 45000 euros fine when the provocation has been followed by suicide or a suicide attept."

Or is the freaking government site wrong somehow ? Similar laws exist in quite a bit of countries. So yes, i stand by it. This has the potential of being a very serious legal offense.

So... you want to shame someone with a recording of their activities on the internet?

And this...isnt what Erotica1 did?


But she just laughed and said, "Oh, you're so funny" I said, "Yeah, I can't see anyone else smilin' in here. Are you sure?

Then ban both. Erotica for longer, since the other has extenuating circumstances (he was actively provoked to do what he did). Somehow I doubt it actually matters if you ban the victim - somehow I dont see him coming back into game after this.

Thanks for admitting his guilt :)

CHECKMATE, again.

My god, you are TERRIBLE at this.

Smart play.

Like the null sec cartel CSM member said, no laws are being broken when you forward that to gaming magazines, so have at it.
But be advised, as others have said on non- CCP controlled websites, it certainly appears that CCP thinks ANY press is good press. And by linking this horrible example of human behaviour to Eve, and giving it a wider internet audience, may end up attracting more of that type of person to the game.