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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#141 - 2014-03-25 13:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.

Sorry, you cant have it both ways.

Checkmate, again.


Black and white are the same things apparently.

Erotica is evil and Salvos problem, but when someone gets stalked for a non specific reason and Salvos doesnt like them, its not his problem.

And apparently you can have two instances of Checkmate in one game. I need to tell Kasparov that.

Im glad I know such an EvE-Famous character that every action has a direct bearing on him.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2014-03-25 13:30:36 UTC
Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#143 - 2014-03-25 13:31:10 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.


This

+653

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#144 - 2014-03-25 13:31:16 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:



You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.


The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.



Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people.

That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned

After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude?



I agree with Malcanis ... silly Jenn.

What's the difference between posting a soundcloud recording, obtained out of game, purely for the further humiliation of the victim versus (say)someone posting a link to an uploaded imgur picture of the outside of your house? It's only bits and bytes right? Roll


The 2 things are not the same and anyone with any sense knows that. The guy in the bonus room KNEW he was on comms (and thus could be recorded). Kaarous in no way consented to someone obtaining a picture of his house.

Some of you people really are...something else.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#145 - 2014-03-25 13:32:03 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.


But, they were being mean in a videogame! Surely that excuses all of my bad behavior!?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#146 - 2014-03-25 13:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".

If I was Erotica1, and had conducted myself as he has (which I have not) Id be quite genuinely concerned for my own safety.

As far as his accounts and participation in the game, Im quite certain that if someone who happens to be in the same jurisdiction as he is ever pressed IRL ceiminal or civil charges, any judge or jury would find i the favor of the plaintiff.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Neltharak Idrissil
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2014-03-25 13:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Neltharak Idrissil
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:


Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.

Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay.
CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds.
Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.

CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.


Who the flying hell are you to determine what is "Right" or "Wrong" as a course of action ? How is this different from people losing all their space-business to a rebalane or a market crash ?

The harassment part ? We have Kugu, we have comms, we have propaganda which sole purpose is to dogpile on "The enemy" and make them seem like absolute douchebags. Some take offense, some don't care, but it is exactly the same thing.

Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT

Read that last sentence again.

Again.

Last time.

If that still isnt enough for you to get the point, Erotica is using people's greed against them. Was his life or health at stake ? Was he held at gunpoint by Erotica and co ?

Was he in any way threatened in real life ? Why did he AGREE to singing ?

Erotica didnt pick him out of all the people in eve to make his life miserable ? He AGREED to it.

After ignoring every warning in the tutorial, he proceeded to willingly give everything he owned in the video-game eve online to a guy he just met.

If he has problems with anything, it's with his own reasoning, and if that's enough to push him over an edge or another and make him go apeshit at his wife, he needs professional help. Not a ban of Erotica.

If banning erotica is the "right course of action", then i deem you untasteful, your writing offends me, and i am calling for a ban of you.

Read malcanis posting once or twice and try to understand what he is saying, because he is actually spot on. "Erotica plays the game in a way i do not like and that many people do not like, ban him".

As they would say in law school, this would create a dangerous precedent.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#148 - 2014-03-25 13:36:46 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".


"Not my problem if they go out dressed like that. I'll just read about it in the papers and think to myself, 'Well, they had it coming."

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#149 - 2014-03-25 13:38:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".


No one said you were but you.

And revelling in others misfortune, thats pretty hypocritical right there.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#150 - 2014-03-25 13:39:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Absolutely don't see any problem with this. Eve is not a democracy. Its ccp's game and last I checked the tos has been written broadly enough that ccp can get rid of you pretty much for any reason they feel is detrimental to the game. If some asshat has gone too far, its ccp's job to protect their intellectual property, and take whatever action they deem necessary.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#151 - 2014-03-25 13:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".


Yea, we understand that is what you think. What you don't understand is that thinking that way demonstrates some really bad things about you. There is no way to "have it coming" from playing a video game within that video game's rules.'

Recently you (Salvos Rhoska) were involved in a thread naught regarding an upcoming change to reprocessing that CCP is about to implement. Some people disagreed with you in that thread and your responses were upsetting to some.

If one of those people sends you a picture of your house and your family playing in the park because you disagree with a video game maker making changes to their video game, do I get to tell you "whelp, you had it coming", and if so, would that be before or after you called the police and moved your family to another house?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#152 - 2014-03-25 13:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT


If they don't hold you, than yes, problem is, you can be punished if you walk away, and that was their tactic. Also victim had one small flaw, he was greedy and they used that against him. All this was clearly to make fun of the victim, to make him mad, to take his all belongings and laugh at the miserable naive and greedy.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Salvos Rhoska
#153 - 2014-03-25 13:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote:
And revelling in others misfortune, thats pretty hypocritical right there.


Oh. You mean like Erotica1 revelling in the misfortune of his victims?

Hows that for hypocrisy now?

Im losing count of checkmates here :D

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#154 - 2014-03-25 13:42:33 UTC
I like reading his blogs. That aside, in any other game people doing this type of behaviour would have been banned long ago. I would like to see CCP stand up and say 'there is a line of decency even in a harsh mmo, cross it and be banned'.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#155 - 2014-03-25 13:42:41 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
And revelling in others misfortune, thats pretty hypocritical right there.


Oh. You mean like Erotica1 revelling in the misfortune of his victims?

Hows that for hypocrisy now?

Im losing count of checkmates here :D


So, you literally just set yourself on moral equivalency with someone you are suggesting be perma-banned?

Checkmate, indeed.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#156 - 2014-03-25 13:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Neltharak Idrissil wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:


Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.

Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay.
CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds.
Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.

CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.


Who the flying hell are you to determine what is "Right" or "Wrong" as a course of action ? How is this different from people losing all their space-business to a rebalane or a market crash ?

The harassment part ? We have Kugu, we have comms, we have propaganda which sole purpose is to dogpile on "The enemy" and make them seem like absolute douchebags. Some take offense, some don't care, but it is exactly the same thing.

Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT

Read that last sentence again.

Again.

Last time.

If that still isnt enough for you to get the point, Erotica is using people's greed against them. Was his life or health at stake ? Was he held at gunpoint by Erotica and co ?

Was he in any way threatened in real life ? Why did he AGREE to singing ?

Erotica didnt pick him out of all the people in eve to make his life miserable ? He AGREED to it.

After ignoring every warning in the tutorial, he proceeded to willingly give everything he owned in the video-game eve online to a guy he just met.

If he has problems with anything, it's with his own reasoning, and if that's enough to push him over an edge or another and make him go apeshit at his wife, he needs professional help. Not a ban of Erotica.

If banning erotica is the "right course of action", then i deem you untasteful, your writing offends me, and i am calling for a ban of you.

Read malcanis posting once or twice and try to understand what he is saying, because he is actually spot on. "Erotica plays the game in a way i do not like and that many people do not like, ban him".

As they would say in law school, this would create a dangerous precedent.


Sure the victim was complicit in his own troubles, but that doesnt change whether Erotica 1 is an asshat. Eve isnt a democracy. The sole issue here is whether CCP should look at what erotica 1 has done and decide if it is good for the game and the community. I have no trouble with that at all.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Neltharak Idrissil
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2014-03-25 13:44:15 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
[quote=Malcanis]


I recall CCP found their morals pretty easily when Mittens stepped out of line at Fan fest.
Did he break any laws? No.
Did he break any in game rules? No.

Was what he did morally reprehensible on every level? Yes

This scenario with Erotica, while different in it's approach, boils down to the same basic elements and should be taken seriously by CCP.


Calling for people to kill themselves IS breaking a law. So yes, yes he did and paid for it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#158 - 2014-03-25 13:44:26 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
And revelling in others misfortune, thats pretty hypocritical right there.


Oh. You mean like Erotica1 revelling in the misfortune of his victims?

Hows that for hypocrisy now?



Yes thats exactly what I mean.

Erotica1 does NOT say that others should be banned for revelling in others misfortune.

YOU claim Erotica1 is bad for that and YOU DO IT YOURSELF

THAT is the DEFINITION of hypocrisy.

CHECKDARTGAMESPORTWINTIME

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#159 - 2014-03-25 13:45:36 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:


Sure the victim was complicit in his own troubles, but that change whether Erotica 1 is an asshat. Eve isnt a democracy. The sole issue here is whether CCP should look at what erotica 1 has done and decide if it is good for the game and the community. I have no trouble with that at all.


Nor do I. What I hope is that CCP doesn't apply a double standard.

ie, CCP can't say it wants emergent gameplay (and tears, CCP employees have themselves talked about tears in various videos for the last 10 years) then start banning people because of emergent game play and tears.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#160 - 2014-03-25 13:46:59 UTC
Neltharak Idrissil wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
[quote=Malcanis]


I recall CCP found their morals pretty easily when Mittens stepped out of line at Fan fest.
Did he break any laws? No.
Did he break any in game rules? No.

Was what he did morally reprehensible on every level? Yes

This scenario with Erotica, while different in it's approach, boils down to the same basic elements and should be taken seriously by CCP.


Calling for people to kill themselves IS breaking a law. So yes, yes he did and paid for it.


In what country is calling for people to kill themselves against the law? Please link.