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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-03-25 11:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Sentamon wrote:
Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional.

If you think its the 20bucks he's freaking over, and not how he is being treated, it might be you who hopefully sees a mental health professional.


I've dealt with people like Erotica and friends my whole life, you laugh at them and walk away. Completely going apeshit like that is unnatural and extremely dangerous, yes the man needs help and hopefully gets some.

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Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-03-25 11:55:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xander Delacroix
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Just seize the accounts and ban him.

I mean honestly, I can appreciate some "for teh lols" as much as the next guy, but if you play that recording to any reasonably sensible people in a room, or for example outloud at the next Fanfest for the combined community represented there, I think the majority will most certainly agree that this is crossing the line too far.

Here is the recording linked in the blog:
https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar


Much as I hate to agree with Salvos, he's absolutely 100% on the money here. This bonus room concept is absolutely reprehensible in every way that you look at it. "Emergent Gameplay" is used to justify a lot of things in this game, but this goes far beyond the pale. If CCP don't do anything about this, then they are condoning this kind of behaviour as being acceptable (and this incident, which I imagine is only one of many such diversions by Erotica1, makes the little drunken outburst by Mittens look like kindergarten mischief by comparison), then some players may well start to think about heading away to pastures new. If this gets out into the wider media, which it has every chance of doing, then we are all tarred with the same vile brush.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#23 - 2014-03-25 11:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Buck Futz wrote:
And, now, having read the actual blog....
I'm quite convinced that Ripard is the intolerable sort that whines to the coach when he gets hazed by his team-members in the men's locker room.

Of course this is theoretical.
Because it would require Ripard actually setting foot in a men's locker room for something other than pilates or yoga.
You know, something that doesn't require stretchy see-through pants.

And this is exactly the kind of replies that doesn't push the world and community towards a better place.

But hey it's easier being a douche than being nice to people...

/c

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#24 - 2014-03-25 11:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Lets say CCP have other things to do, than watching playerbase acting like total Asshats in real and in game. Lol
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#25 - 2014-03-25 11:58:27 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

I have many friends :)
Would you like to be one?
Sorry, DENIED!


I have no interest in being the friend of anyone, much less someone who defends the terminally stupid and demands the intelligent should be made to suffer for it.

However, Chirba has spoken, and so thats the end of it.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Salvos Rhoska
#26 - 2014-03-25 12:03:18 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I have no interest in being the friend of anyone, much less someone who defends the terminally stupid and demands the intelligent should be made to suffer for it.

However, Chirba has spoken, and so thats the end of it.


Are you implying the antagonists in this recording are "intelligent" or made to suffer?

HAH!

Just ban them. Nobody will miss them and the majority of the community will certainly agree with it.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#27 - 2014-03-25 12:04:30 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Just ban them. Nobody will miss them and the majority of the community will certainly agree with it.


Chirba has spoken, and so thats the end of it.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-03-25 12:05:39 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:

If CCP don't do anything about this, then they are condoning this kind of behavior as being acceptable.


Look up the world slander.

If you're truly concerned you should forward this matter to law enforcement and let professionals deal with it, not smear CCP with it.

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Salvos Rhoska
#29 - 2014-03-25 12:08:10 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Chirba has spoken, and so thats the end of it.

Yes. And he's spoken against this kind of behavior being acceptable.

Just ban these people. Nobody will miss them. These kinds of things are not something you want the wider global gaming community nor the wider internal EVE community hearing about or thinking you are supporting.

If something is happening in or related to the game that cannot conceivably with good conscience be played over speakers or depicted graphically at a Fanfest, it goes without saying that it exceeds what is permissable in EVE.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Warped Intentions
#30 - 2014-03-25 12:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Sentamon wrote:
Wonder what naive Sohkar will do when wallstreet bloodsuckers steal his retirement savings. Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional. Real life is far more ruthless and mean then eve online could ever be.


This.

I came back this morning from a recruitment agency where a disabled woman was having an advisor shout at her and threaten to cut all her disability money, leaving her in tears. We were all in an open plan office so this was seen by everyone there. Due to a government policy which is quite popular and supported by many people.

Then directly after I log in here this is the first thing I read, and see the words victim and torture used with someone losing make believe **** in a game, and huge moral outrage from all comers about it.

I don't know. Maybe this is the world now. People are concerned over virtual things more than real things. Is this the ass backwards world we live in now? Apparently it is.
Salvos Rhoska
#31 - 2014-03-25 12:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Sentamon wrote:
Look up the world slander.


You need to look up the word "slander"
Slander is spoken, libel is written.

Furthermore if you seriously think that if this recording is played before a jury or a judge, that they will find it acceptable, you need to stop playing EVE for a bit and realise the wider human context here. No judge or jury would find in favor of the harassers in this case. No matter if it happens "ingame", which it technically does not, or without it. Infact this fits the criteria of external influences impinging on the in-game autonomy of individuals playing the game as stipulated in various EVE policies.

Its a law suit just waiting to happen and a media disaster.

If you play this at a Fanfest over the speakers I leave the possible reaction to your own imagination.
People walking out en masse, tremendous negative media for the game, and a more or less unilateral demand that the persons involved in this and other related incidents be removed from the game forthwith.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#32 - 2014-03-25 12:09:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Sentamon wrote:
Look up the world slander.

If you're truly concerned you should forward this matter to law enforcement and let professionals deal with it, not smear CCP with it.
You mean libel right?

Edit: beaten to it. Internet lawyering is best left to real lawyers and not internet lawyers.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-03-25 12:11:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Look up the world slander.


You need to look up the word "slander"
Slander is spoken, libel is written.


You get my meaning. P I should know this too! It might be on my CompTIA tests. Lol

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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#34 - 2014-03-25 12:13:22 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
or thinking you are supporting.


Why not?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-03-25 12:14:33 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.


Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2014-03-25 12:15:35 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Wonder what naive Sohkar will do when wallstreet bloodsuckers steal his retirement savings. Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional. Real life is far more ruthless and mean then eve online could ever be.


This.

I came back this morning from a recruitment agency where a disabled woman was having an advisor shout at her and threaten to cut all her disability money, leaving her in tears. We were all in an open plan office so this was seen by everyone there. Due to a government policy which is quite popular and supported by many people.

Then directly after I log in here this is the first thing I read, and see the words victim used with someone losing make believe **** in a game, and huge moral outrage from all comers about it.

I don't know. Maybe this is the world now. People are concerned over virtual things more than real things. Is this the ass backwards world we live in now? Apparently it is.


Very much this.

This is a videogame. The world has 99 problems, but EVE ain't one.

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CCP Falcon
#37 - 2014-03-25 12:16:07 UTC
Before this discussion goes any further, I'd like to remind people to make sure they stick within the forum rules and not let this get out of hand.

I'm well aware that that there's opinion on both sides of the fence here that's extremely strong, as I have my own opinions on this too.

That said, keep it within the forum rules, and keep it civil.

Smile

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Salvos Rhoska
#38 - 2014-03-25 12:16:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
CCP can ban whoever they want, whenever they want.

Play this out loud on speakers at the next Fanfest.
Title it as "Emergent Gameplay" and proudly present in audio as an example of the finest EVE currently has to offer.

I double dare you.
Tuscor
13.
Enigma Project
#39 - 2014-03-25 12:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuscor
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.

Edit - I'm leaving the above up to show my original thoughts, but see later posts for a more considered view.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2014-03-25 12:19:26 UTC
Tuscor wrote:
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.


People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016