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Panda Arrr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#421 - 2014-03-01 21:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Panda Arrr
CCP needs tears too. And guess who's providing them OP? You are. Let the tears flow. YES. YES.

I got very little sympathy for someone that PVPs in hisec by baiting people. That's probably the lamest thing in the game IMHO.
Evilishah
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#422 - 2014-03-01 23:06:11 UTC
Dr Sraggles wrote:


This is a thread about a can flipper that is complaining that can flipping in high sec is too hard, no more, no less.

If you think Null is the new high sec tell it to Pandemic Legion or Test. They found it more risky than we can dream of.

Have this little can flipper who made this thread go deep into Goon Space and try flipping some cans.


Maybe, but that doesn't necessarily invalidate his points. High sec is safe and one of the most profitable places in Eve.

You also don't really address the Null issue. Yeah, it's dangerous for people like me who fly into Null uninvited to hack sites, but if I chose to join a Goon affiliated corp... Null just got a whole, whole lot safer.
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
#423 - 2014-03-01 23:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Sraggles
Evilishah wrote:
Dr Sraggles wrote:


This is a thread about a can flipper that is complaining that can flipping in high sec is too hard, no more, no less.

If you think Null is the new high sec tell it to Pandemic Legion or Test. They found it more risky than we can dream of.

Have this little can flipper who made this thread go deep into Goon Space and try flipping some cans.


Maybe, but that doesn't necessarily invalidate his points. High sec is safe and one of the most profitable places in Eve.

You also don't really address the Null issue. Yeah, it's dangerous for people like me who fly into Null uninvited to hack sites, but if I chose to join a Goon affiliated corp... Null just got a whole, whole lot safer.


For sure, and plexing deep in Goon Space is as safe as it gets once you are a member of GSF etc. I agree.

Just saying, that they do fight wars in Null and they are costly. Years of work *poof*. All kinds of stuff can go wrong and does happen. People are safe for years, then it is all gone.

I just find all this "I'm a bad man!" posturing by the can flipper OP that doesn't have the sack for low sec pathetic. "PvP" against PvE ships that have no point/scram and that are tanked for the opposite of your damage type is simply as easy as it gets with zero risk.

He's not a ninja he's a frickin' care bear picking the safest possible targets....The only reason more people don't do it is because it is pathetic.

In low he could never cut it if he cries about can flipping being too hard.
hellokittyonline
Hellokitty's Online Adventure
The Conference
#424 - 2014-03-01 23:36:25 UTC
To answer about 10 posts at once, I'm not saying my profession is too hard at all (at least not for a seasoned professional like myself) the main problem i have with the nerfs pointed at players in my profession is that they only serve to shut out new players, us veterans are fine as we have the capital and experience to adapt.

AND YET AGAIN FOR THE 1 ******* MILLIONTH TIME, any balancing that I propose for missions DOES NOT ******* HELP ME, the poorer the bears, the poorer the baiter, the less bears, the less targets. The main thing I'm pushing for as far as missions are concerned is a reevaluation of the rewards given in respect for the extremely small amount of knowledge, preparation, and risk required to participate. This is mainly due to the fact that pouring isk into the easiest professions devalues LITERALLY EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF THE GAME. Also in response to the "OMG THATS NOT REAL PVP" bullshit, welcome to the sandbox. I quite vividly remember stomping an RvB blob in "real pvp" around a month ago, get off your high horse.

To the person saying I "dont have the sack for low sec" I am quite literally posting on my low sec pvp alt right now.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#425 - 2014-03-01 23:49:56 UTC
they need a second tier of missions, and the current missions to pay out far less / be easier.....

So that we can implement higher paying, much more risky, PvE like you described in point 1.

Level 4's shouldn't be 50 ****** battleships, 20 ****** battle cruisers 20 ****** cruisers, and 15 ****** frigates.

There should be far fewer, but they should web, scram, long point, TD, neut, Nos, use Ancillary reppers, mwd, paint, SD, and be dirty motherfuckers that are hard to kill and overall a pain in the ass.

They should also stay away from directly splitting rewards, ie capping a plex in FW with two pilots gives each pilot half. This directly inhibits people grouping up and playing together....because you can earn SO much more for doing **** alone.

The FW corporations would understand this, and adjust their payouts accordingly. 2 players in a novice get 80% reward, 3 65%, 4 50%, (whatever is appropriate).

The problem is that CCP has no idea how to appropriately create incentives.

Eve could be 3 times the game it is (though it's still pretty damn good), but they have a massive lack of vision and creativity, it seems.
hellokittyonline
Hellokitty's Online Adventure
The Conference
#426 - 2014-03-02 00:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: hellokittyonline
Phaade wrote:
they need a second tier of missions, and the current missions to pay out far less / be easier.....

So that we can implement higher paying, much more risky, PvE like you described in point 1.

Level 4's shouldn't be 50 ****** battleships, 20 ****** battle cruisers 20 ****** cruisers, and 15 ****** frigates.

There should be far fewer, but they should web, scram, long point, TD, neut, Nos, use Ancillary reppers, mwd, paint, SD, and be dirty motherfuckers that are hard to kill and overall a pain in the ass.

They should also stay away from directly splitting rewards, ie capping a plex in FW with two pilots gives each pilot half. This directly inhibits people grouping up and playing together....because you can earn SO much more for doing **** alone.

The FW corporations would understand this, and adjust their payouts accordingly. 2 players in a novice get 80% reward, 3 65%, 4 50%, (whatever is appropriate).

The problem is that CCP has no idea how to appropriately create incentives.

Eve could be 3 times the game it is (though it's still pretty damn good), but they have a massive lack of vision and creativity, it seems.


I really like the idea of fewer but harder NPCs as it gives the PvEer more combat relevant feedback and allows them to learn what they may be doing wrong and would likely result in questions a bit more in depth than "what dmg type i fire at angels??".

As far as FW is concerned, the main problem for me isn't the rewards but more the fact that it revolves around killing npcs and insentivizes avoiding PvP as apposed to participating in it.
Dr Sraggles
The Covenant of Blood
#427 - 2014-03-02 02:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Sraggles
hellokittyonline wrote:


To the person saying I "dont have the sack for low sec" I am quite literally posting on my low sec pvp alt right now.



The point is not that you can't fly around with your bros and gank FW nubs, the point is that you, yourself, make your living in Hi-Sec as detailed in your original post. That makes you a Care Bear enjoying the protection of Concord for your convenience like every other wannabe tough guy that actually has an Indy Alt etc. and wants some easy mode risk free isk farming when it suits him.

Ganking missioners is as risk free as it gets.

I am sorry that can-flipping missions has gotten harder for you. Maybe it's time to grow up and move out to low permanently? Maybe step into a WH and start soloing some Sleeper Sites?
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#428 - 2014-03-02 04:34:06 UTC
So, I made one smartass reply earlier, but generally didn't think this thread was worth any more then that. It's just another 'nerf highsec' thread. Or troll attempt. They are impossible to distinguish these days.

Neither side understands the other. Neither side has any clue how to address their respective complaints. Neither side is making any consideration of how their requests will impact the game as a whole or CCP's bottom line. The conversation has not changed in the 2+ years I've been following it.

also, /popcorn. Now get this GD trash out of F+I forum.

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Evilishah
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#429 - 2014-03-02 05:30:55 UTC
Phaade wrote:
they need a second tier of missions, and the current missions to pay out far less / be easier.....



I would love to see the entire mission system overhauled. Right now, difficulty doesn't really go up, so much as the size of the ship you fly does. It would be cool to have missions increase in difficulty in ship class as well. Right now, sub-BSs are almost 100% forgot about as far as PvE content goes. All ship classes up to the BS or T2 (like Hac/CS) are just stepping stones.

Something that would be way ******* cool would be PvP missions. Something that requires you to go to low sec and actually interact. Who knows.

@Ines Tegator

I don't think you are 100% correct. I am largely a bear. These days I do mostly Null exploration, but that vast, vast majority of my time has been in High Sec. And though I think it is incredibly important to accommodate high sec exclusive players, I think it is in keeping with Eve that risk brings reward and that is the position I argue for.

The problem is when a handful of extremists on both sides want to change the game to 100% suit their play style... like those that want to remove highsec completely vs those that want to eliminate any player caused deaths in highsec.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#430 - 2014-03-02 07:28:37 UTC
Missions that end up in player interaction? Isn't that something you have in Faction Warfare?

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hellokittyonline
Hellokitty's Online Adventure
The Conference
#431 - 2014-03-02 08:05:11 UTC
Dr Sraggles wrote:
hellokittyonline wrote:


To the person saying I "dont have the sack for low sec" I am quite literally posting on my low sec pvp alt right now.



The point is not that you can't fly around with your bros and gank FW nubs, the point is that you, yourself, make your living in Hi-Sec as detailed in your original post. That makes you a Care Bear enjoying the protection of Concord for your convenience like every other wannabe tough guy that actually has an Indy Alt etc. and wants some easy mode risk free isk farming when it suits him.

Ganking missioners is as risk free as it gets.

I am sorry that can-flipping missions has gotten harder for you. Maybe it's time to grow up and move out to low permanently? Maybe step into a WH and start soloing some Sleeper Sites?

Get mad.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#432 - 2014-03-02 08:05:59 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Missions that end up in player interaction? Isn't that something you have in Faction Warfare?

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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#433 - 2014-03-02 08:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
The only thing i dont like on Highsec Ganking is the fact you can do it solo, to be honest increase the cost of Mining barges for more tank, so 1-2 ganker cant destroy that ship, on the other hand if a small gang of ganker working together its fine.

The current mechanic simply boost solo playstyle which is pretty stupid for a MMO.

Beside that i would also apriciate if solo mining would be more aktiv so botting is harder and make solo mining more unprofitable.

TL;TR - Solo highsec mining and solo highsec miner ganking is broken or atleast could be better.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#434 - 2014-03-02 08:13:12 UTC
My sandbox has too many pixel hard-men whinging that others will not play the way they want them to.

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hellokittyonline
Hellokitty's Online Adventure
The Conference
#435 - 2014-03-02 08:14:10 UTC
yes i can solo with 3 accounts... that i have to play... just like you can mine with 3 accounts... that you dont have to play... totally unfair nerf gankers.
hellokittyonline
Hellokitty's Online Adventure
The Conference
#436 - 2014-03-02 08:15:47 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My sandbox has too many pixel hard-men whinging that others will not play the way they want them to.

yes because i totally care what you do and want to nerf you.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#437 - 2014-03-02 08:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
hellokittyonline wrote:
yes i can solo with 3 accounts... that i have to play... just like you can mine with 3 accounts... that you dont have to play... totally unfair nerf gankers.


Hey its not my fault that CCP is a greedy ALT promoting ...., if this was my game i would remove all kind of ISKBoxer with or without Tools.

Edit: BTW i did also mention to nerf highsec solo and afk and bot mining, but thankyou for not Reading anything whats not pleasing you...

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#438 - 2014-03-02 08:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Phaade wrote:
they need a second tier of missions, and the current missions to pay out far less / be easier.....

So that we can implement higher paying, much more risky, PvE like you described in point 1.

Level 4's shouldn't be 50 ****** battleships, 20 ****** battle cruisers 20 ****** cruisers, and 15 ****** frigates.

There should be far fewer, but they should web, scram, long point, TD, neut, Nos, use Ancillary reppers, mwd, paint, SD, and be dirty motherfuckers that are hard to kill and overall a pain in the ass.

They should also stay away from directly splitting rewards, ie capping a plex in FW with two pilots gives each pilot half. This directly inhibits people grouping up and playing together....because you can earn SO much more for doing **** alone.

The FW corporations would understand this, and adjust their payouts accordingly. 2 players in a novice get 80% reward, 3 65%, 4 50%, (whatever is appropriate).

The problem is that CCP has no idea how to appropriately create incentives.

Eve could be 3 times the game it is (though it's still pretty damn good), but they have a massive lack of vision and creativity, it seems.



You like to joke, don't you? Just admit it.
That's something not even L5s have, and L5 missions are far more broken than L4s in terms of Risk/Reward ratio. You can literally warp a carrier in them, kill a feeble structure and warp out again and get the LP/Isk reward of 3 L4s in a matter of minutes. This is so fast, not even well skilled combat probers often have a chance to get to you in time, let alone the dead space limitations to cynos.

So, in a sense, low sec with its L5s already offers a huge incentive to go there and get rich faster than you could anywhere else.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Josef Djugashvilis
#439 - 2014-03-02 08:19:15 UTC
hellokittyonline wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My sandbox has too many pixel hard-men whinging that others will not play the way they want them to.

yes because i totally care what you do and want to nerf you.


You started the thread deary, so this suggests that you do care.

I do not mind what you and your fellow pixel hard-men do or do not do in-game.

But please, stop making threads trying to show off how tough you are.

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hellokittyonline
Hellokitty's Online Adventure
The Conference
#440 - 2014-03-02 08:21:18 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
hellokittyonline wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My sandbox has too many pixel hard-men whinging that others will not play the way they want them to.

yes because i totally care what you do and want to nerf you.


You started the thread deary, so this suggests that you do care.

I do not mind what you and your fellow pixel hard-men do or do not do in-game.

But please, stop making threads trying to show off how tough you are.

you obviously have the IQ of a squirrel.