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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2014-02-13 15:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Axloth Okiah
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
You aren't creating grudges either...
That is true. But whether creating grudges is good or bad is a matter of personal preference and subjective opinion. You cannot blame people for not being strongly emotionally attached to their assets and being able to engage in care-free pvp without carrying hard feelings towards their current opponents. And its kinda weird when groups that actually dont carry these grudges are called "butthurt" by those who are very emotional.

I was simply reacting to the incorrect statement that we dont fight each other. In fact we fight each other much more often than together. But it doesnt make "the news" or threadnaughts, so it creates skewed perception. It's hardly our fault that it doesnt generate massive publicity whenever NoHo wipes the floor with our fleet or when we gank VoC caps.

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#162 - 2014-02-13 16:08:39 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:


You aren't creating grudges either...


That is a cross i bear

No trolling please
Tyrant Scorn
#163 - 2014-02-13 16:12:35 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Tyrant Scorn wrote:


You aren't creating grudges either...


That is a cross i bear


Yeah Bane, how do you guys deal with that as a mercenary corporation ? I mean, the more people that have grudges against each other the more work you will have, don't you think you'd have more work as a merc if people didn't blue each other or form a mini coalition on demand ?

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#164 - 2014-02-13 16:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Nucleus
Yes and no. We would have more work, but the price someone would have to pay to go after a major wh group would be massive. Admittedly, my handling of merc contracts is very limited, but I personally would charge a large fee up front just for the effort alone. Hell, I am not even sure how my corp would work out such an agreement, as there are people far better than me who handle that sort of thing.

As far as grudges go, you can't just force that. Those are something that get built over time. And contrary to popular belief, that does happen. Here are just a few:

1) CCRES and AHARM

2) Narwhals with each other at different points

3) Me with my old alliance

4) Misteral against all mom jokes

5) Hathrul vs fun.

6) Everyone against Pell(SYJ)

7) Starbridge and various Russians against Aquila

Those are just a handful that I remember. There are much smaller groups who have a definite dislike for each other, but obviously don't have the recognition that a SSC or NoHo have.

No trolling please
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2014-02-13 16:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Rubba Dub Dub wrote:

I can buy the SYJ perspective that the old home system wasn't important enough to worry about, but still assume they'd prefer not to have lost it and what assets were left given the choice. It seems that some mistakes were made.


I think the idea was that once left, it was undefendable if invaded. What exactly happened with the euro corps I'm not too sure - not been around much lately so don't know them at all (have hunted with the Aussies a few times just before dt though).


Semi-related: around the time Pell first announced we were leaving, we spotted Blood Union had started seeding caps in there. They gave up though, presumably because it appeared there was still enough left to handle their fleet.



Quote:

Now, if a few of the chest beating invaders here actually took some risk and fought each other (earnestly) instead of forming the wspace equivalent of NATO, we might have a wormhole story worth reading. Jerk each other off all you want, this was no more impressive than NATO invading some pissed off African country with a mouthy leader.


What I'm wondering: perhaps they thought it was some elaborate trap, and they'd suddenly find 100 dreads logging on next to them. Wouldn't be unreasonable I guess.

Or perhaps they just wanted sufficient overkill that there was no chance of a proper response fleet? :-)
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#166 - 2014-02-13 16:47:42 UTC
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:

What I'm wondering: perhaps they thought it was some elaborate trap, and they'd suddenly find 100 dreads logging on next to them. Wouldn't be unreasonable I guess.

Or perhaps they just wanted sufficient overkill that there was no chance of a proper response fleet? :-)


It really was just a case of "Lets shoot thing that have Pell's alliance name on them". There were no schemes, plots, etc.. No one went in there expecting to make a dime doing it. Hell, we had a ton of parties that wanted to get involved and just didn't make it in time. That many people just don't like Pell. Whether people think it's justified or not is a matter of opinion, but the point still stands.

No trolling please
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2014-02-13 17:03:40 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:

It really was just a case of "Lets shoot thing that have Pell's alliance name on them". There were no schemes, plots, etc.. No one went in there expecting to make a dime doing it. Hell, we had a ton of parties that wanted to get involved and just didn't make it in time. That many people just don't like Pell. Whether people think it's justified or not is a matter of opinion, but the point still stands.


Haha, ok. I'm learning Pell really seems to have wound a lot of people up - hadn't really seen that myself from the internal side of things.


My regret is this didn't all happen 6 months back. Just in terms of a gloriously large fight, to see what would happen. I'm actually quite curious as to how it would have gone, because it'd be on a scale you just don't normally see in whs.

Realistically though, seeding the number of caps you'd need beforehand would be basically impossible, and our resupply advantage would be pretty brutal - unless perhaps the invaders had a big early victory and podded out a lot of our pilots, who then couldn't get back in (even then, multiple cap pilot alts would limit the effect). Homefield advantage in whs is really a bit obnoxious against a defender of any size (perhaps something CCP need to look at).
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2014-02-13 17:06:22 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:


You aren't creating grudges either...



And why should we? If our first reaction on seeing each other is to project slugs at each others ships why is there a need for grudges? If we fight each other when the opportunity allows us to, then why evict each other? Grudges are the last resort.
ROSSLINDEN0
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#169 - 2014-02-13 17:14:11 UTC
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

It really was just a case of "Lets shoot thing that have Pell's alliance name on them". There were no schemes, plots, etc.. No one went in there expecting to make a dime doing it. Hell, we had a ton of parties that wanted to get involved and just didn't make it in time. That many people just don't like Pell. Whether people think it's justified or not is a matter of opinion, but the point still stands.


Haha, ok. I'm learning Pell really seems to have wound a lot of people up - hadn't really seen that myself from the internal side of things.


My regret is this didn't all happen 6 months back. Just in terms of a gloriously large fight, to see what would happen. I'm actually quite curious as to how it would have gone, because it'd be on a scale you just don't normally see in whs.

Realistically though, seeding the number of caps you'd need beforehand would be basically impossible, and our resupply advantage would be pretty brutal - unless perhaps the invaders had a big early victory and podded out a lot of our pilots, who then couldn't get back in (even then, multiple cap pilot alts would limit the effect). Homefield advantage in whs is really a bit obnoxious against a defender of any size (perhaps something CCP need to look at).


We would still have burned the place to the ground, you dont start an invasion till you have enough ships to do the job and enough spies in place to have Intel at anytime of the day then once everything is in place its just a matter of timing ideally when their caps are sieged in a site to increase your advantage, but i agree it would have made one hell of a fight if it had happened 9 months ago
Justin Cody
War Firm
#170 - 2014-02-13 17:27:53 UTC
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:

stuff


Haha, ok. I'm learning Pell really seems to have wound a lot of people up - hadn't really seen that myself from the internal side of things.


My regret is this didn't all happen 6 months back. Just in terms of a gloriously large fight, to see what would happen. I'm actually quite curious as to how it would have gone, because it'd be on a scale you just don't normally see in whs.

Realistically though, seeding the number of caps you'd need beforehand would be basically impossible, and our resupply advantage would be pretty brutal - unless perhaps the invaders had a big early victory and podded out a lot of our pilots, who then couldn't get back in (even then, multiple cap pilot alts would limit the effect). Homefield advantage in whs is really a bit obnoxious against a defender of any size (perhaps something CCP need to look at).


Homefield advantage is fine as it is. For the most part we like the mass restrictions and how it forces a different kind of fight. Dreadnoughts are basically portable nukes in W-space and fill a niche that titans do in K-space as the ultimate response system. Given enough time with a spy alt in any system it is only a matter of patience as to whether or not a coalition force could get enough caps in.

The initial engagement would probably have gone off in a similar way...destroy some of the caps found to be bearing and take hole control. Ideally some rage-rolling would take place...or if direct connects haven't yet been collapsed those would be used to get as many capital reinforcements in as possible as well as significant support subcaps and dictors/hictors would be chiefly among them.

It is likely that instead of a month or two of build up that it might take 3 months of carefully inserting caps into the hole if there were more SYJ in residence, but; in no way is any force with enough patience and an inside prober unable to invade a hole. Sure the time scales are vastly different than in K-space, but that is also a good thing.

Pell wants to do dread bombs with supers and such...he can be my guest (been there done that). He wants to live la vida loca in low sec? Great I love low sec...so I don't get why he things wormholers think of low sec people as lesser pilots. Many of us came from low-sec pirate corps and other 'low sec sov' blocs like Psychotic Tendencies, Shadow Cartel, Snuffbox, Lost Obsession and others.

He will find that like any activity...if you do it repeatedly enough it also will get boring. Maybe SYJ will go take sov in provi next! Who knows!? Maybe they'll troll even the mighty goonswarm into surrendering to their cultural victory (as if this was Civ V).

Bastion was invaded despite the residents collapsing all holes that weren't the static on a regular basis. Sure the largest part of SYJ was already in low...but that wasn't the point at all. Even though the USTZ portion of that alliance is basically unharmed there are some logged off caps that will likely get hunted (some might escape) and we all had fun sitting around blasting structures while chest thumping on the forums.

BNI have more nerve and determination than most veteran organizations out there. We appreciated you showing up and having fun. It is a shame that SYJ in general had zero fucks to give.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#171 - 2014-02-13 18:43:00 UTC
To make a general comment based on some posts I have seen here, some claiming to represent N0MEX. Believe it or not, people are entitled to their own opinions as to what took place. And likely, most will never agree as to the "truth". Several comments appear to be a simple plea for attention in an attempt to be relevant in a situation in which they are not. However, one should always consider the source of said comments, as well as the possibility that they may have absolutely no firsthand knowledge of the actual situation. And perhaps, just perhaps, it is just trolls looking for attention. Hard to believe I know as that has never happened before in a wormhole thread. Big smile

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#172 - 2014-02-13 19:17:35 UTC
Zero fck was given this days...
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#173 - 2014-02-13 19:20:53 UTC
Senn Denroth wrote:


If you notice that the eve forums are changing a link when it redirects you, try copy/pasting it in your browser if you can manage it. What?


I did and it didn't work before until now. In any case what I see here is a fleet of 40+ of your guys against a fleet of 20+ SYJ and an assortment of BNI Talwars. Hey if that's you "bending" anyone over, take it I guess.

calaretu wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
More nonsense and propaganda


Since you keep on insisting posting this garbage and Pell calls us 2nd class citizen on podcast I'll do what I normally do not do and reply to this.

You, Seraph (yes you personally), is an example of whats wrong with entire SYJ. Everyone not contributing to your personal aim is garbage to you. Several times we have come out to aid on your lousy tower timers in lowsec but when we need aid you dont care. When theres a "paid" op defending some c3 you show with a 80 man fleet. But when its about aiding alliance members you dont even bother to ask said alliance members for a way in. Nor did you bother to ask how many caps we got in there. Or talk to allies for aid. Or even talk to us about coordinating any kind of defense. You just didnt care. The fleet you brought wasnt to save us. That was to save Pell's ego. If it wasnt you would have at least talked to the ceo's of the corps in the wh about a time we could peak our fleet.

I literally pitty the few euros who are staying with you because you have a few decent pilots. I hope they never get to deal with the crappy leadership and I regret the day we joined you guys. Not because of the invasion. We can recover from that. But for wasting months ingame trying to get some kind of communication going across timezones. I hope PL realise the error in supporting you guys and just leave you to your own failure.

And no, I havent ever seen any pay from alliance merc ops. And no, you will never see your loan to Pell for his titan repayed. And yes the mythical srp will continue to be 6 months late.

To everyone else: SYJ has no presence in WH space at all anymore. Nothing. And if you didnt understand it; yes we are dropping the stupid alliance. We would do better by mining veldspar in a c1


Me? I'm personally the issue? A guy pretty much a couple months old to the alliance with little or no say in the alliance beyond offering some advice once in a while and i'm the problem? My personal goal is to better SYJ. If that wasn't your goal then yeah you're garbage to me. Had you come to Lowsec and been an active and consistent force in the area, we could have wrapped up our campaign there much faster and YES then we could have brought 80+ man fleet to wreck anything that stepped in Bastion. Jihadsquad, Fortis, beyond an early carrier welp when we jumped the gun, they're not a viable force. Literally the only thing keeping us at bay is the ****** TZ timers which you could have helped out with.

Sorry my friend, but your goal was to help YOU, not the alliance. With what did your presence in w-space contribute to the alliance? It contributed to you and your ratting, but not the alliance. And that's fine, by all means, i wish you the best of luck in whatever you do, but don't act like I did anything to you when you decided to stay in Bastion when most of the alliance was done with it months ago. You were told that you're sitting on rented time.

And the fleet was made on a whim. Hardly any of us were on and we were bored. Instead of throwing a baby tantrum on the forums you should have simply left with your head held high instead of whining about your mistakes and trying to blame others. Your personal presence will have made a minimal difference to SYJ regardless if you stayed or went.

Take care.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#174 - 2014-02-13 19:36:59 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I'm a huge D-BAG


Wow. You are a huge D-BAG.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#175 - 2014-02-13 19:41:16 UTC
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I'm a huge D-BAG


Wow. You are a huge D-BAG.



...aaaand....aaaand...say it with me...aaand I don't care what you think.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#176 - 2014-02-13 19:44:23 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I'm a huge D-BAG


Wow. You are a huge D-BAG.


...aaaand....aaaand...say it with me...aaand I don't care what you think.


You care. And with your reply, I feel cozy knowing you read and reacted to my comment. I will sleep better.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#177 - 2014-02-13 19:46:41 UTC
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I'm a huge D-BAG


Wow. You are a huge D-BAG.


...aaaand....aaaand...say it with me...aaand I don't care what you think.


You care. And with your reply, I feel cozy knowing you read and reacted to my comment. I will sleep better.


Well no since you replied again it means you care more! Last one to reply cares the mostest!
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#178 - 2014-02-13 19:51:12 UTC
Since I didn't quote the above mentioned, he clearly cares most out of that conversation.



But seriously, that guy is a d-bag.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#179 - 2014-02-13 19:52:46 UTC
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Since I didn't quote the above mentioned, he clearly cares most out of that conversation.



But seriously, that guy is a d-bag.


No you care more because you DIDN'T quote me in an attempt to SEEM like you didn't care. Obviously you care more and i'm starting to feel an uncomfortable attraction coming from you now. Straight
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#180 - 2014-02-13 19:55:17 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Since I didn't quote the above mentioned, he clearly cares most out of that conversation.



But seriously, that guy is a d-bag.


No you care more because you DIDN'T quote me in an attempt to SEEM like you didn't care. Obviously you care more and i'm starting to feel an uncomfortable attraction coming from you now. Straight


Why did you quote me? Now I've quoted you. This is your fault. You care most and also a d-bag. calaretu is good people. If you were a wormhole entity, I'd start seeding, but since you are not, I wonder how this thread is even in this sub still...

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