EVE General Discussion

@Angelica Dreamstar (hopefully it works):

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4167435#post4167435

This is what I put into that survey form for whats bad/should change or whatever the last 3 yearly surveys. CCP QA is utter **** and needs to improve.

Either the testers have no idea what they are testing, they are just bad, or theiy are laughting their asses off after handing you test protocols.

I really do not think that there are full regression tests every two weeks, because then the only explanation for the product you ship is, that you do the testing, but ignore the results completly.

Most major patches come with a quality standard that is expected after the first one or two devoloper tests.

Developer tests suck, I do them all the time, and I miss a lot of bugs. Thats why you need a dedicated testing crew, that knows what the product is about in detail. Of cause that means to get told you made a mistake by someone, but it also means you have the chance to correct that mistake before everyone is affected by it.

Also it was on sisi for two weeks is no test either, I dont think that majority of eve knows anything about softwaretesting, they just want to fly ships they cant afford. And the ppl with software testing background probably cant be arsed to try stuff out, because software testing is work. I pay money to play a game, not to keep doing the suff I waste the other 10 hours every day on.

I think players would be more forgiving of bugs found on release day if the release wasn't chock full of features that players spent days and sometimes weeks speaking out against while being nearly 100% ignored by CCP.

Does 68xxx assembler count ??

AAAAAMMMMIIIIIGGGGGAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

What a dim view you take of professional testing and testers calling them semi- or un-skilled workers. Rather offensive.

Of course if you pay with peanuts you're going to get monkeys - but plenty of professional testers I worked with (funnily enough in an outsourced testing team) were massively skilled and came from development backgrounds themselves.

Something to be wary of about outsourcing your testing though is the feedback you get on your delivery quality is always going to be politically slanted so if you deliver some crap 'coal' release they will come back and tell you it was 'near diamond' quality.

Your users will not be so kind and regardless of what you outline as your procedure, the number of bugs slipping through the net into releases tells me you have plenty of room for improvement.

Cheers.

Can somebody fill me in over why there are so many tears?

What did I miss that was so incredibly game breaking that it has caused people to pretend they know anything about something?

Yes, it is.

But despite its flaws, we* like the basic product. Huzzah to the OP!



*(disclaimer: Only a some-time dev. More time spent in Validation Testing and actual operations, but I can hum the tune, and dance the step)

Standings got broken and people were scared to undock.

This has nothing to do with arrogance. CCP QA is systematically failing, not on this release not on the last, but for the last few years. And they dont learn from their mistakes, this is the part where some ppl, like me get angry.

It might not be "in" to talk about software quality in games industry in times of kickstarter, greenlight and whatever, but it seems its still very nessesary to bring that topic up.

Of cause Eve is an old application, but the more important is it to keep the code clean and well tested. I'd rather see one team testing and onther one refactorng code, than all teams doing stuff, and breaking even more stuff in the progress.

I live in w-space for the last 3 years or so, there were no major changes to w-space in that time, but every patch is breaking something inside w-space, even if there are no features at all in patches that concern w-space.

This is a very good indicator for regression testing not working at all at ccp.