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Dev blog: More Deployables from Super Friends

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Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-01-14 16:00:32 UTC
Just what null needs, more nerfs to people trying to earn a living there. Anom nerfs, inty buff & now every passing gank gang a cut of my efforts. Where does it end?
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-01-14 16:00:58 UTC
Great idea!

However, it should not be a beacon (or maybe the t2 version should not)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
Great Blue Balls of Fire
#63 - 2014-01-14 16:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Are these restricted by wormholes at all like they are restricted by gates/stations?
If they aren't will jumping thru the wh trigger the system wide notification?
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2014-01-14 16:01:56 UTC
Also, those of you saying "no one will use these things!" are fooling yourselves. Anyone destitute enough to actually shoot red crosses for money in this game will leap willingly into a 5% bounty increase carrot, no matter the risk.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#65 - 2014-01-14 16:04:16 UTC
ESS - best social experiment ever

Love you CCP Pirate

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Xaarous
Happy Endings.
Good Sax
#66 - 2014-01-14 16:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Xaarous
My initial thoughts: (Edited as answers came in)

1. It's a little weird that the pool stays if the ESS is destroyed or scooped and a different race's ESS replaces it. I would think the pool should be per race, but they all agree that only one can be online at a time in a given system.
2. Can we have info on how long it takes to escalate from 20% to 25%? Is it based on time (how many hours?) or bounties (how much?)? (Answered: chance to raise 1% per bounty payout, ~30 minutes for a small group, hour or more for solo)
3. Given the anchoring restrictions, can you confirm that bubbles can still be anchored around the ESS and it's bubble once it's online?
4. What happens if the 40-second Take All timer is interrupted? (Answered: Take all starts a 40 second timer ending with a can showing up at the ESS)
5. I'm assuming there will be NPC buy orders for the tags - but where? The same Navy stations, or only some, etc. (Answered: Empire Navy stations will buy their race's tags)
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2014-01-14 16:04:45 UTC
Querns wrote:
Also, those of you saying "no one will use these things!" are fooling yourselves. Anyone destitute enough to actually shoot red crosses for money in this game will leap willingly into a 5% bounty increase carrot, no matter the risk.


In their current form, any half-intelligent nullsec alliance will ban their use.
Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-01-14 16:05:19 UTC
The ESS sounds really odd, and will probably be amazing, as paranoid ratters decide to drop it to warn them of the infamous "AFK cloaker" who is already on grid with them... :D

Few questions:

Did you consider putting the notification on the "take all" request instead of the approach to circumvent the spamming issue?

Will they be bought with LP rather than ISK, and not found in the FW stores? Meaning, only accessible by highsec mission-runners for the navies?

Why did you decide on selling them via vendors rather than have them player-produced?

Why not let the ESS affect bounties from destroyed player ships?

When will the ESS global warp signal be generated? Upon anchoring or successfully onlining?

Will each Empire's ISK tags be monitored? This information could be used in Live Events, for example.

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2014-01-14 16:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Querns
Yet more questions

What's the target price for an ESS?^H^H^H^H^^^HH^H^H^H^H^H^

Edit: it says how much in the devblog, read/comprehend/post is hard

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Georgiy Giggle
REFORD Division
REFORD
#70 - 2014-01-14 16:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Reiterating on lowsec, non-faction warfare lowsec is usually quite empty (except for specific systems) similar to nullsec's emptiness in specific places. Having bubbled ESSes droppable in this area of lowsec would add some PvP value to the systems.
I know bubbles aren't usually in lowsec, but this is a static bubble that (if you are well-informed) you should know about beforehand.


Georgiy Giggle wrote:
ESS is bull ****.
Owners of system will get money for nothing. So nullsec will become more empty.
Isn't it enought? Most regions are empty cuz ppl only mining moons. So now you wonna nerf life of normal carebears.

I dissargee with such feature.
Do not like.


They don't automatically get the ISK, you can go grab it before they do.

Maybe you have to shoot something occasionally then?


It is still a bull ****.
Example: I live in null sec. I'm not a sov holder. I have normal relations with holders. We do not steal, betray o cheat.
So why the hell should I pay 5% to EVE Central back for nothing? And owner do not want to have a troubles with SHARING each time money or waiting while some *** will grab it. Or, for example, one idiot come and steal it all?
Seems like devs want to make ppl to earn less.
Instead of nerfing moon mining you decided you nerf normal players who REALY PLAY and not siting offline for most of time.

So what will be next? Removing of combat sites?
So let's all go to empire and leave null sec empty like a field in Africa.

P.S. please give me name of author of ESS and name of his dealer of drugs.

*removed derogatory language* - CCP Eterne

Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius

Meditril
Lummerland GmbH
#71 - 2014-01-14 16:07:16 UTC
Finally 0.0 might get fun with ESS. I am really curious how this will work out.
Enteron Anabente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#72 - 2014-01-14 16:07:30 UTC
The ESS seems unnecessarily complicated with 4 identical racial versions. If they're identical in every way except naming, why not just have one?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2014-01-14 16:08:10 UTC
There's a lot of things here that assume they're a benefit to the locals, and are not, because this structure is geared entirely towards hostiles in interceptors. It's safe to assume the attacker is always in an interceptor: they can get through bubble camps and outrun any hostile gang and can't be caught without a massive fuckup given current game mechanics.

This means two key features that are intended to protect locals simply don't work. The bubble around the ESS is a hindrance because only ratters will get caught in it, not attackers. The interceptor will land at zero, anyone who tries to catch him will land at 15km and the only thing ratters pack that might hit an inty (warriors) are 15km away.

Additionally, the tags are supposed to be a "this is only worth it if you get out alive". You cannot kill an interceptor who declines to engage under current game mechanics. Once he has the tags, he's got the isk. Because they're so tiny, there's no effort needed to get them out.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Baron Deathicon
Outerspace Vanguard
#74 - 2014-01-14 16:08:47 UTC
Hey DEVS,

While this ESS thing sounds like an interesting idea, please make sure you ADD MORE anomalies to nullsec because right now there are so few of them that this ESS thing will just be totally worthless. The spawn rate of anomalies has gotten so bad since Odyssey. Its a good time to fix it now along with your ESS thingy. Thank you.
Lazei
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2014-01-14 16:09:44 UTC
Enteron Anabente wrote:
The ESS seems unnecessarily complicated with 4 identical racial versions. If they're identical in every way except naming, why not just have one?


Probably because they made models for something else that turned out to be complete **** and now they are reusing the models with their unnecessary racial versions for something that they think is less **** (but is still ****).
Talar Draylan
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-01-14 16:10:50 UTC
How about I start paying 95% of the sub fees?
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#77 - 2014-01-14 16:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Less cash for players, more PvP around deployed ESS = more GTC/PLEX sales \o/
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#78 - 2014-01-14 16:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Isn't there any legacy code that could stop you from introducing pointless stuff like ESS and/or MMJD?


No, but our long term goal is to have the ESS code become a legacy code that kills good ideas 7 years down the road.


I admire your optimism about being on the market 7 years down the road.

Seriously, what is the point of ESS? Should I deploy it to get 80% bounties + 20% in tags (because, yes, screw everyone else, gimme all your taggies) or should I just do 1 more anom and get 100% of current bounties without thinking about additional trash bin in space? I already rat with dual sentry domis so no ammo consumption just 10 minutes more of my time (which is nothing considering how much time I spend on Eve related activities already).

As for it being offensive module well, good luck putting it in a system where regular ratting is in process and people actually use their space. The moment it will show up on overview somebody will warp at 100km in alphanado and boom. And with neutrals/hostiles in system nobody will rat anyway so good luck with taking rake from bounties. Rats don't kill themselves so ESS is not bounty siphon, you cannot count that nobody will notice it long enough for you to come back and collect.

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Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2014-01-14 16:12:25 UTC
A thing a lot of you naysayers are missing is that anyone can deploy these ESSes in a system. Say I've got an inkling for messing with folks. I duckwalk into a system owned by hostiles and deploy my own ESS. Suddenly, I am sapping 20% of the bounties of the system. If you are a sovhaver, you have to deploy these items defensively to prevent this from happening to your systems, unless you want your space to be worth four-fifths of its current value.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

SpaceSaft
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-01-14 16:13:37 UTC
Oh wow that sounds really cool. I'm very happy with the way this whole Rubicon thing is taking. If the next expansions give us more of this and go in the same direction... I'd like that. That's going to be very interesting.

To everyone who doesn't like these changes I'm going to reach deep into the usual circlejerk bag and say:

Dem tears. Can I haz your stuff?