Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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So much for being provocative and being very disruptive to the status quo. You just gave them everything they wanted, scrapping much needed balance and denying players tools that might otherwise embolden them to take risks outside of high sec.

Sad day for the integrity of CCP.

+1. When the only vocal and serious support to a change is a noob corp account with zero other activity on the forums, no employment history, and a total of 17 days in the game, you know that there's something wrong with the idea.

The people who support it don't even feel comfortable using their main accounts to do so.

Anyone inside a FW plex has a significant advantage over anyone coming into a plex as they can setup and dictate the range of the engagement. So for someone to be willing to even take the gate into a plex, they have to consider themselves at at least a slight advantage over what they see on d-scan just to make the playing field level. So unless you're flying in a blob, seeing one of these inside a FW plex is a big sign saying "it isn't worth risking coming in here". And since you can make 15 to 20 mil per medium plex in well under the 1 hour expiration time on the MSI, there's no reason for risk averse players not to spam these 5 mil safe-plexing deployables across the warzone. So yes, the use of MSI inside FW plexes is important to be disabled.

Exactly.

Disallowing probes inside the MSI does not affect scouting alts in covops, but hurts everyone else. Thus, I would think it encourages alt-play.

Allowing probes inside the MSI lets things like T3s, Astero/Stratios/Nestor, or other ships with very high CPU have a little bit of vision. Since these ships can often do other stuff in addition to probing roles, they can be used by mains without alts. Enabling more versatile ships/fits would seem like a good thing.

Keep up with these idea, I'm sure fozzie will be accomodating if he gets enough input from this vocal minority so that the MSI can be nerfed into total uselessness. So much for upsetting the status quo.

Unless you're a proteus, yeah.

I'm unsure what would lead to an exploration T3 using one of these, though... For the size, you'd be better off with a mobile depot and refitting your subsystem if you want to hide. You run into cargo issues either way, though. As part of a group, I suppose you could have a viator or something to do the job. I just don't really see anything other than a gang with defined roles wanting to use one of these things, though.

You know what else would upset the status quo? Mini-doomsdays for frigates, or bumping doing damage, or stacking penalized locking time, or a variety of half-baked ideas. Yes, the second iteration of these things rocks the boat less than the former, but that is because the former rocked it too much, completely invalidating and throwing into disarray things that have existed forever, for no good reason. The only time such a huge change is OK is when there is a huge compelling reason for it, like with the nano nerf.

So far as Mister Al tt1's stuff:

With a bit of luck, you can still find people ratting up your wormhole with the d-scan: look for NPC wrecks. And, with the unwelcome farmers being blinded by their own MSI, you have a better chance than you think at catching them (unless they are prepared and have a scout outside, at which point you have to get creative).

FW problems are not fully covered, but blinding the people inside should go a long way to discouraging MSI use inside plexes. It greatly reduces the reaction time available to farmers (who would otherwise see you as you land on the a-gate), and it strikes the fear of incoming blobs into PvPers who might be camping the plexes (the street now goes both ways).

Considering you can scan down and warp to the MSI faster than you could any other PVE ship. What PVEr is ever going to use this at the cost of 15 mil an hour.

Another great idea utterly ruined by a vocal minority. So much for giving players the tools they need to embolden them to move out of high sec.

success?

Although people who are blobbing inside a plex can still use an alt to check what's coming into them. The simplest solution is to stop them getting anchored in deadspace.

Fix sov and you have a good reason for people to move out of highsec.

This would also not completely break wormholes like the MSI would have.