Missions & Complexes

No prop mod?

Typhoon fleet issue is the best raw dps hull(however kind of hard to use). CNR is good and easy to use in a CM fitting, it can be extreme good with torps at high SP levels and with a lot of movement. Domi is extreme good for the price, but for my taste a bit to inflexible with the movement(if you invest some serious isk quite some hulls can beat it, but at the price point of a normal domi it is unmatched).

In the hands of a skilled player the navy apoc is a very good platform in the Amarr BS line-up, since quite similar to the mach it combines massive range, high tracking, high speed, ok turret and good sentry dps.

The tempest feels kind of underwhelming, even with max skills and to somebody that got tons of experience flying pests and machs in pve(not that I stated exactly this in the mini BS rebalance thread). It gets the job done(if you can fly it) but compared to the mach it is just gimped in every aspect. While range, mobility and dps are the obvious contenders, as I stated back then, the to weak capacitor just holds the hull back, because it is vastly depended on mobility with the mwd, and needs every single slot for tank, range, speed or dps to get at least to somewhat acceptable BS standards.

[Tempest, I blame Rise]
Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II
Large Dynamic Fuel Valve II


Garde II x3

Edit: While the mach is generally overrated a ton by people that are bad at positioning and movement(if you got this down you might notice that the mach at certain ranges is quite bad against other hulls/fittings in the 1.5-2B price range) by it's massive tracking and range, flown actively it is one of the most enjoyable hulls for L4 and one of the fastest on top of it.

T2 raven? You mean faction raven, right?

Outside of the marauders I would say it comes down to the Dominix and the CNR if we are talking about a "one boat to run them all" approach. Between those two I would say its more personal preference than anything else.

Looks great but if you doing missions in big hub very quick you would get ganked by some losers. And t2fit would struggle a bit with tank. I love machariel. Quick agile. Medium to short distance. If i had skills for missiles would probably switched to TFI tho

Massive cost, micro-managing, wastes tons of ammo.





EFT warrioring is worthless.

"Best" non-pirate ship would be a shield tanked navy domi, simply because it has massive dps, good projection, mostly-selectable damage type. Needs some love in the tank mods (but nothing extravagant like a gist xl or deadspace invuln). Dominix wins for value, having excellent projection and near-perfect application, on top of selectable damage and no need for expensive fittings. There's also a cast to be made for the missile boats, depending on your preferences and skills.



Tengu's are "massive cost???" The only thing that's expensive about them is faction damage mods, which are optional. The cost of a t2 fit with c-type booster is about the same as a t2 fit navy BS, which the OP is considering. Micromanaging? There's like 1 button to press and at most 2. Ammo? give me a break...

The navy version don't have the tracking and range bonus to sentry drones, so you need to spend the extra mid slot on one extra drone tracking link to get the same bonus as the T1.

If you are going to shield tank it you need to sacrifice some mobility and/or some damage projection. Ideally you want 3 drone tracking links and both mwd and mjd, which don't leave a lot of room for a shield tank. 2 tracking links and either mwd or mjd will work, but you are going to lose some range which is annoying if you are going to be using garde.

The bonus the navy issue has to hybrid guns is not all that great on a sentry domi, ideally you want 2 high slots for drone control range and with all the drone upgrades take up some much cpu it's going to be hard to fit 4 425mm rails.

The same rigs would be on the CNR so that's no difference. I wasn't EFT warrior'ing, the velocity and percent explosion radius bonuses are right in the ships description. You don't need EFT for that. How when it comes to how much 2 target painters would help compared to the CNR's explosion radius bonus I couldn't say. The best way I would think is to take the two ships into a mission and shoot identical targets then see what kills it first.

I think you are right about the effects lasting until the cycle ends, does permanent effects like webs and scrams end right when you enable bastion mode?. I seem to remember webs and scrams also being applied for a short duration after bastion mode is enabled, if so it's might just be a static timer.