EVE General Discussion

Try the Stratios blueprint and then building the ship.

Stratios costs 10m to build, and has an ISK cost of 30m.

Stratios sells for ~415m.

415m - 30m - 10m = 375m profit

LP cost is 120,000

375m ISK / 120k LP = 3,125 ISK / LP

I have no idea where you got 600 ISK/ LP from.

You guys are doing this all wrong.

1. The relevant figure is not the total ISK per hour, it is how much extra do you get mission running for the sisters versus some other corp. Bearing in mind there are some down sides to sisters missions.

2. Reward/Bounty/loot should be more or less the same regardless of corp. Now lvl 4 reward/loot/bounty for a max LP good mission (scarlet/WC/AE etc), without blitzing, is generally somewhere between 40 and 70 mill.

3. The difference in ISK will come from trading the LP.

Assuming 0.5 systems and max skills the LP will be about 10K max per mission.
My Fed Navy agent selling +4 implants --> 8 mill
My sisters agent selling a Asteros --> 30 mill

sooo ....

THEREFORE --> Mission running for SOE means you will get a max of around 90 mill instead of 70 mill for a good level IV like Scarlet.

THE DOWNSIDE -->
Sisters systems are heavily ganked,
SOE faction standing and hence storylines are not really that useful nor is SOE corp standing.
The current LP/ISK ratio is player market driven and could crash.

CONCLUSION
Is it worthwhile doing sisters missions ? Hek yes .. (pun intended) .

Are they ridiculously high paying compared to normal missions bearing in mind gank risk and uselessness of the standing gain? Probably not.

This is a short term phenomenon, until the Stratos demand falls as it will in time.

It's new, it's shiny, and there's a bunch of rich people that HAVE TO HAVE IT RIGHT NOW OMG!!!

One thing that does help address the risk/reward is going into Apanake or Osmon, and linking kills of mission bears over and over in local. This intimidates many of the carebears into flying less blinged fits, therefore reducing their rate of LP gain. I highly recommend it, especially if you have a couple of 2b+ mission bear kills to link.

If you can inflict additional losses, even better.

Regarding the whole "risk vs reward" thing for Null vs High, i'll toss another anecdote into the mix, regarding Incursions.

Recently, an incursion took place in Dekelin, our home region. As the incursion was blocking some jump bridge routes, people decided to clear it out.

CCP "knew" that null/low incursions were more "risky", so they tacked on a 1.5x LP/ISK modifier to null/low incursions. Yet despite this modifier, we ended up making less isk than if we ran Highsec incursions, roughly 70-90 million isk/hour. Why is that?

1. (the fleet i tagged along with) The sites were run in "baltecfleet" Megathrons, with plates/some hardeners swapped out in favor of more damage mods, and more tracking in the mids. These ships could pull around 1100 DPS in Vangard configuration with drones, a far cry from almost 2000 by shiny incursion Vindicators. Tanks for these ships were completely tech 2, so there was more than 1 logistics needed.

2. Hostile were up an about, and even a handful of Gankers can completely ruin an incursion fleet, usually diving straight for logistics. This caused significant downtime in the fleet.

One might ask "you would make more than Highsec if you just stopped being pussies and used bling vindicators/machariels", but here's where return on investment kicks in.

Lets say a shiny vindicator, which might cost 2-3 billion isk, can provide 50% better DPS than a 250 million isk Megathron. Taking a simplified model, lets say this vindicator makes 50% better isk/site. Using vangards as a baseline, it would take roughly 275 sites to pay the price of this vindicator over a Megathron. What this means is, if the extra DPS provided can allow you to run 275 more sites in the same period of time than a Megathron, you've made up the vindicator premium and anything more is gravy.

Napkin math says this would be roughly 800 sites over the lifetime of the Vindicator to pay for itself over a Megathron. In highsec, running 800 sites in a Pirate Battleship is very possible. But what this also means is that if your Vindicator dies before you've run 800 sites, you just lost money. Now how likely is your vindicator to survive in Nullsec running 575 sites (accounting for the 50% bonus LP) without being ganked? How likely is your vindicator to survive being moved from one Incursion Constellation to the next in Nullsec travel? The greatly increased risk says if you want to run null/low incursions, you do it in unpimped T1 battleships, leading to less isk/hour over Highsec Incursions. Thus, nobody does them for money, and 90% of incursions are ignored. If the incursion is in the way, oversized fleets are used to blitz sites, spawn the mom early, and pop it ASAP.

The supply for new ships (and prospective Nestor) is high, so these LP pay higher than usual. It will settle down eventually, so instead of whining, I recommend jumping into a L4 mission ship and make ISK while they last.

Sadly, you're not far from the truth.

I started to do L4 missions recently and I think I am the one, who will prevent this nerf from happen. Cause I am doing 18 millions an hour, not 180. I am low in skills and every L4 mission is new for me. So I am learning slowly and if CCP is looking at average time / isk ratio before they nerf any activity, then ppl like me will surely help L4 high sec SOE missions stay as they are now ;))))

If it's so good then why aren't you running SOE? It's your choice.

Nice to see CCP eventually start to nerf it