Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sorry dont know how i missed that interview from 3 days ago on a 3rd party website...

Which I posted and then quoted....you didn't think something was curious about any of that?

Now, 3 times and has been posted in other threads.

And you didn't think to double check to make sure I didn't actually have something to back up my claims.

Good work.

This is called "moving the goalpoasts".

yes I read it because it was short and insult free, most of your posts are walls of text or 4-5 posts in a row, most of them very nasty to anyone who wants to address AFK cyno camping and not your plans for the future redesign of EVE.

Umm... over 2 hours cloaked is extended and it's simply warp off, dropping cloak while in warp, then warping back immediately - once every couple hours.

I don't see how that breaks wormholes even with your "vital" comment. If someone is prowling around for over 2 hours then I can see potential concerns but losing such a long-term security blanket (up time to down time) vs every couple of hours doesn't strike me as breaking anything.

That's just a tactical use change that has a little more risk to it than current methods - not even a great deal more risk especially if you are in a wormhole crew. "need to recharge cap within the next 15 minutes, can someone come out for a couple?" or what not.

Right, OK, so you are definitely just trolling.

It's simple bud. Just because two thing affect each other does not mean they are cause and effect. If you honestly don't get that, you need to get an education.
You are basically telling me that if two things are even remotely related they they must be cause an effect. That's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. You've literally had it explained to you countless times and still you harp on about it. I've explained it in terms a 6 year old could understand and still you don;t get it. There's simply no way it can be dumbed down any further. So let's just say you'll never understand, and leave it at that.

Wow I go away for a few days and look what happens.

@ Lucas.
I gave you my opinion, just as you gave me yours. I accept you don't see it as I do and said this in post 3684. But it seems you do not wish to see that others have different views. You are in fact intent on trying to illicit a certain response from me, that I'm not willing to give. You didn't gain this response with your apparent lack of comprehension (I now think intentional) at what what I posted, so now it seems you are upping the ante and starting down the personal insult route. I thought it only polite to inform you, that I will not be replying to any more of your posts in the future.

But I will respond to the existing ones.
That post was more to show just how poor a discussion can be, when one side seeming doesn't wish to see the others. I know your opinions are as valid as mine, but this should be a two way street. As I don't think you can fix AFKing without including local, then my opinion differs from yours.

People don't AFK for hours in a cloak simply because it's safe. They may utilize a cloak for AFKing because it's somewhat safe nature, but that's not the reason to AFK for hours.
That argument is much like saying: 'I drove for 12 hours because my car was warm.' They may utilize that car because it's warm, but the reason they drove for 12 hours is left unanswered.

You also claim AFKing in safety as a problem, but fail to mention that safety in this regard works both ways. Perceived safety may not be a level playing field, but then that's not what you talk about.

But I see you actually acknowledge local would still be an issue, even with cloaks nerfed. Using D-scan would only be useful in a very small window. Hardly the same as the system and station wide use of local intel. Plus you'd be a fool to employ such a tactic so close to a system, as to allow others a way of getting in front of you with either other planets or their own bookmarks. Therefore your D-scan theory remains just that and this tactic is really only useful with local as it is now.

Remove local no, but they do wish to decouple the intel it provides. Just as I have said, would be the best functional way. Which is unfortunate for you, as it makes my opinions just a little more valid than yours.

Guys I lost track of this topic about 93 pages ago.

Have we all come to an understanding on how local mechanics are the cause behind prolonged cloaking tactics, and how a balanced change would require alterations to both local and cloaks yet?

He is simply conditioning you to the brutal virtual reality that is Eve Online. As your skin thickens, the trash which spews forth from Goons, Test, and the rest will have no effect upon your psychie. It is actually good for life, as no one will be able to touch you. You'll see the insults and smile slightly as you shake your head and say, "Hey dude, whatever floats your boat. This isn't personal, it's just business. lol."

Mag, please try to understand that sometimes people don't understand and insult simply because they do not understand that what they really want is what you really want: An Awesome Eve Online. I did want to touch on why people AFK cloak in the hope that it would illuminate the cause of it and the solution as well.

People have a lot of reasons for doing things, but when those reasons seem difficult to discern, it is often productive to look to the love of "fighting the system" which has strong roots in American culture. There is a lot of fun in "breaking Eve." The Goons love to do it in their "burn Jita" and system crashing campaigns. Test loved to do it with their blobbing Minmatar alpha doctrines (the breaking Eve part only enters the equation as server lag spiked in order to give them the advantage on-grid, but that has disappeared with the time dilation mechanic). And stealth bombers love to do it with their system shutdown campaigns using untouchable cloaked cyno platforms.

So my theory is that: AFK cloaky camping is all about effortlessly and risklessly BREAKING EVE ONLINE by simply removing one system, and most of its content, at a time from the playable systems available in the Eve Universe. Addressing the AFK cloaky issue is about improving Eve Online, not about changing risk levels for anyone or changing intel or anything else.

Unless I knew my enemy REALLY well and had a fleet ready with enough to easily handle them, and had no other viable system to move to, I would be a fool to conduct operations in cyno space in a battleship with a hostile cloaked stealth bomber present in system. Limit the cyno capabilities on the zero targeting delay stealth bomber platform, and suddenly options open up. Notice the key phrase here is "cloaked cyno threat"; lacking that capability, the AFK cloaky issues become insignificant.