Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh really? Strange, I can't seem to remember you posting completion times with isk made. I must have missed it, mind linking it to me? I'm sure we can compare income and completion times and come to an agreement.

Also if you don't mind please share your experiences with the mobile depo while we're at it. I've found some interesting uses for it and am curious to see what a more experienced player has made of it.

My mission completion times for the missions I do from your list (Gone Berserk, AE, Worlds Collide (Angel)) are HALF of your posted times on TQ(seriously). In high sec my LP rewards are 18-36% higher than yours. I don't record loot&salvage, as I feel it is a waste of time. I would rather just do more missions instead.

Anyone can tell you, that your times are not good (to put it mildly). Therefore you telling us that everything will be fine, has to be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry.

Nonetheless I appreciate the time you put into recording all that data. It was quite helpful, just not the way you imagined it would be. (Now I know for sure that immobile Vargurs are terrible.)



I mostly think that they would be way to situational to have any significant impact. Using them is more bothersome than refitting in stations, so (EDIT) refitting at stations between missions would be preferred. Sure, in some missions it may make sense to drop let's say a TC for an MJD for a room, and then swap it back, but I am not sure it is really worth the hassle. Most missions are just too short for that.

Also I want to point 3 things out:

1. Any ship will be able to use the new structures. Meaning the Mach will get significantly better, while the Vargur will stay roughly the same.
2. Some marauders get much more out of the marauder changes than others.
EDIT: 3. You can't use mobile depots while MWDing. Stationary ships get more out of them. Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?

Are 100km blasters going to hit at 100km for anything worth bothering with?

So, not usre if this has been asked already or if anyone can answer this, but does the 70% MJD reactivation reduction stack with the MJD skill bonus? I mean, being able to jump around every few seconds seems like it might be a bit broken.

That being said, Arty Vargur sniper fleets might become a thing.

So one second people are complaining about how CCP is homogenizinghomogeneous ships and the next moment they are complaining about how different they are.

Can we get some kind of consensus here about which sky it is exactly that is falling?

Aaah I see, you 'feel' it is a waste of time. If only you had solid numbers to back that 'feelings' up. I have solid numbers but without you having solid numbers I just can not corroborate your erm... 'feelings' on the matter and will have to defer to hard numbers (as eft kiddies like to chant their mantra).


Well that's simply because I don't run missions the same way as you. Mission completion times are ONLY there to help measure your isk/h. That's what everyone cares about end of the day correct? Or am I missing some huge secret? I honestly don't care how you get your isk, be it LP/Reward blitzing because you have lv5 social skills (I do not) or salvage/bounty but I HAVE given you my isk/h numbers. Man up and give me numbers too or I will have to take your assertions on the matter with a bit MORE than just a grain of salt.


Again without numbers to compare them to your interpretations are based on feelings and not on concrete factual numbers. That was the whole point of the data right? That's why everyone asked for it? Soon as I get it for you guys suddenly it's just deemed inferior without any evidence.


I'm interested in how you want to use the mobile depo that takes 45 seconds to deploy on a platform as mobile as the Mach? Isn't the whole point of the Mach to as soon as you're in pocket fly towards the enemy battleships/triggers at warp 9.9 or maneuvering to get transversal down? It works with the marauders because of bastion.

I used it particularly well in the bonus room of AE for example. Soon as I drop into the pocket I lock the cruise launchers and activate my MJD. I end up really close to the enemy ships and turrets (30km) in 9 seconds. I then activate bastion, plop down my depo and kill the cruise launchers. Soon as depo deployed switch out teh MJD for more tank and viola I got my 3 TCs on, got my 3 module tank running and I am killing stuff as they rush towards me. It's a particularly good example of it.

Another one (and I know you blits this one yawn) cargo delivery. MWD to container, drop depo and replace MWD with a TC/Tank and kill all the serps.

That's been my experience with the depo. Another good place will prolly be gurista assault (man hated that mission).

Think outside the box, and get me my damn numbers.

"3" invalidates "1" am i wrong? prolly i couldnt get things right..
machariel vs vargur, isnt it a joke? fitting a ship glass-cannon doesnt mean OverPower.. and also machariel is an option for who doesnt like "new" stationary style combat..

Yes and no. If you use the Mobile Depot to refit, the modules have to be off or not reloading (i.e. not cycling.) Even then, some marauders have some issues:
* Golem: rigs may or may be valid for torp/cruise switches,
* Vargurs: Artillery has a long cooldown, which could make switching to ACs annoying/impractical
* Kronos: Still has to deal with 5 second reloads

However, Paladin with its instant ammo swapping will probably be able to take advantage of swapping out guns mid-mission or even mid-fight. Kronos should be able to as well.

From what I've seen of the Mobile Depot so far:
* saved fittings do not work
* you can fit from your cargo bay, there's no need to put items into the Mobile Depot first,
* you do NOT have to wait for the Mobile Depot to anchor before changing your fittings, edit: my bad, you do have to wait out the 60 second timer before fitting will work.
* you have to manually drag and drop modules, ammo, group guns, etc.
* you have to wait out cycle times (RoF cycles, ammo reloading) on a module before you can remove that module
* you can refit while bastion is active

Finally, given the huge increase in fittings, a single non-specialized fit can fit either short or long range weapons with ease. Meaning, you don't need to worry about using PG rigs to swap between ACs and Artillery or Pulse and Tachyons.


If someone works out a macro to quickly swap the Paladin between Pulse and Tachyon lasers, then the Paladin will be the Queen Batshit Insane Recipient of the Greatest Buffs in Rubicon (Assuming You Don't Care About the Loss of the Web Bonus) Award. IMHO.

tl;dr - All hail the Pulse Tachyon Paladin!

most bs dont have web bonus and they are fine for missions

That is a hull bonus not a bastion bonus.

Again, you would know if you had bothered to test the ship.