Live Events Discussion

So, I got beaten to it with the thread poasting on the recent live event, (woe is me!) but going to anyways because I think it deserves a little broader discussion.

Why I'm not upset:
For those of us in the Meves fleet, not getting there was probably quite disappointing. 10% tidi is always a bit of a bummer. But to be honest I'm not upset because:
A) Anyone with sense didnt bring their trillion-isk-gold-plated-diamond-steering-wheel-poon-patroler, and
B) I think more than anything it's a learning experience. A good few EVE players don't throw themselves into the action, and I think this event was good for getting people to be a little more adventurous.
People commanding fleets probably walk away having learned a little. i.e. Just because a man with a faction tag and a fancy hat tells you something, it's not always going to be a good idea. Also hopefully learned a little about null and moving a fleet through it. All it cost were some disposable ships, if you lost any. And this is of course not to mention that although we didn't get the shiny dev-layed golden loot eggs, most of us got an exciting fleet battle out of it.

What CCP did well:
Had a event in null. Finally. I like this direction because of two reasons
1) This is a game with different players, none should be favorably treated, and
2) It helped to get people to cross over the game's dividing lines. Sure, a lot of folk will go back to living a care free life in hi, or back to the Star Wars Cantina of low. A couple though are going to think. "You know what, this interests me, I want to know more and play it better" And even those who remain in hi sec get to have the benefit of experiencing a different aspect of the game.

What CCP could have done better:
Distance traveling. Dealing with TiDi is a given for any large fleet, but for the Meves folk it seemed like we were being led around in a bit of happy-fun-trail manner, lots of stopping off in systems of no actual importance, probably adding to journey time. In fact from Meves to 8V-SJJ there were probably about 3 stops in between. During which nothing happened. The TiDi was just the icing on the cake.

Maybe could have given a little more notice, but on the flipside it would have given the null folk and pirate sympathizers more time to prepare, and the fleet may have ended up being a non-starter.

Why CCP does not have to babysit you
Of all the things I heard in the aftermath, and I will have to paraphrase, these were some of the choice things I heard:
- "Why can't CCP just make the route HiSec?"
- "Dev actors should have been acting as FCs for us!"
- "Why didn't the Dev actors lead us?"
- "Where are the Devs in Titans?"
- "My ship wasn't fitted for PvP!"
- "CCP sacrificed us to the big bad null alliances!"
And it goes on as such. Now apart from the obvious glaring question of why take a PvE ship into null, there's a few things people seem to misunderstand. The reason why CCP does not hold you by the hand and walk you through null while whacking the wolves on the nose when they try to eat you, is because there are many ways to play this game. Contrary to what some seem to say, allowing you safe secure passage through null is not enabling you to play the game, but rather preventing others from playing how they want in their part of it. We all made a choice, an active choice to go into null. Nobody forced you. There is no reason to give you preferential treatment, or change the game around you, especially since you were warned, or had the common sense to check the top left corner of your screen.


All in all?
6/10 Worthwhile experiment but needs improvement and refining.

Could, didn't. Mostly because there were 3 going on at my last count, and also I wouldn't have been able to go into as much detail and create the proper effect and discussion, i.e. a more measured assessment of the event.

Yes, exactly! This is what should have happened, pilots making informed decisions about where they fly into.

If boggles the mind that people somehow think they were frogmarched at gunpoint into the crack of mount doom.

Thanks for taking the time to put together such well considered feedback. We really appreciate it and will take these points on board in our retrospective on the event.

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You must be joking here. This is crap feedback. Is this guy CCP's alt? If anything, CCP Goliath, this thread is not representative of your playerbase.

Failed experiment as expected, I presumed all of us in empire fleet will die.

Still didnt expected less PVP or generally shooting from empire fleet, also jumping in TiDi was not a selling point of the show. Better stick with faction warfare, and smaller fleets, at least you will have no TiDi and more shooting. Maybe even a killmail.

From my perspective, one hour in faction warfare fleet is worth MUCH more than one whole TiDied event organised by CCP.

If you think this is awful feedback simply because it isn't a rage post about how CCP lead everyone to slaughter without actually looking at what went well then your a fool.

Yes the event was very badly managed on CCP's part with little to no co-ordination regarding what was going on beyond go here and kill this. Tactically they really could have done a tad bit of research that would have told them that the destination was slap bang in the middle of the CFC's staging area however you cannot blame CCP for idiots bring shiny Faction ships/pods then moaning when they got blown up.
I applaud CCP that they managed to get so many people involved in the event however things could have gone far better.

- The staging systems should have been Stacmon and Ihal to begin with both on reinforced nodes along with the route and destination

- Clearer instructions should have been given in one channel advertised to players (was it so hard to include a hint in the news post to all join 'Intergalactic Summit')

- Been far clearer about the destination or its security status sooner then 10mins before departure so people could bring suitably fitted ships for the occasion rather then officer fitted PVE Vindis

Not to say it all went perfectly far from it...the fact that CCP seemed to fail to take into account TiDi a mechanic they invented which meant the event ended before anyone got there did indeed suck, flying though low/null in 10% Tidi is not fun at all unless your asleep.

I felt Overall that content wise it was a good event for those that expected to die and don't get butthurt over it, yes its sad that those new to events got a pretty poor impression of them as well as the newbies who never stood a chance (RIP those going through Doril). Event wise is was a shambles and completely mismanaged although I'm confident that CCP will learn from this.

A) This thread is not that positive.

B) You've rather jumped the gun there.

it's the typical public relations bullshit that you might expect from someone who hasn't even trained damage control to level I.. expect that nothing will change, noone will learn and only you care.. so in other words dont even bother with this stuff and be done with it.

ccp goliath could have just said "sorry planning was fscked up and we didnt think that whole thing through" but no we get "we are evaluating the feedback atm, bbl, bye"

-> not our fault you idiots missunderstood and jumped when we said jump but did mean dont jump actually


edit: was kinda mad writing that but tis teh internet after all

ON the bride side look at the event like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1xf1TKLjvs