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Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#581 - 2013-10-28 20:16:28 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I don't understand why we don't just create nice unique new models for these instead of tapping other ships. Does it save resource memory to reuse already in service designs?


That's the truly boneheaded part about this whole issue. According to CCP, they are planning to make new models for these command ships, so right now they are going through all of this mess to change these hulls, only to change them again!

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#582 - 2013-10-28 22:42:56 UTC
i want new models for all of my t2 ships

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Kiithnaras
Black Ice Protectorate
#583 - 2013-10-29 16:21:51 UTC
Looks pretty darn cool; Though I second the need for more Awesome on the Sleipnir, and I shall lament the loss of the Red Prophecy of Doom - That beast was awesome.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#584 - 2013-10-29 18:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
So, if these models really must be used...

Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution?

*snipped bad link* - CCP Eterne

Yes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders?

And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for?

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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#585 - 2013-10-31 08:24:08 UTC
i'm thoroughly dissapointed in their replacement of current abso model with harbies. since i rather liked the blood red and golden tinted "eagle head" silhuette that Abso has
Hexatron Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#586 - 2013-10-31 10:28:38 UTC
I think those look pretty amazing. Let me give some personal opinions about them:


  • The Eos as Mymridon almost seems "thats how it should have always been" like.

  • I like the color scheme on the harbinger, even though it could use some tweaks on turret placement, for better looks.

  • Was never such a huge fan of the Drake look wise, but i have to say that in this color scheme it looks really cool. So the nighthawk turned out better than i thought it would.

  • The sleipnir though.. i am a bit underwhelmed by it, especially now that there is a fleet issue hurricane that also has a camo-print. I really hope that it gets a lot of love in the "t2 grafics upgrade" pass sometimes later, cause otherwise i have to say that this one is lacking a little.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#587 - 2013-10-31 17:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I don't understand why we don't just create nice unique new models for these instead of tapping other ships. Does it save resource memory to reuse already in service designs?


That's the truly boneheaded part about this whole issue. According to CCP, they are planning to make new models for these command ships, so right now they are going through all of this mess to change these hulls, only to change them again!


The difference is that this change puts the command ships into the new paradigm (new hulls but also the manufacturing and invention changes) right now and leaves the future change as simply shipping out updated models - exactly like how the new Marauder models happened. There won't be any "mess" in the future with this.

I am of course hoping that the Art Department comes up with something really good for the Command Ships - all eight of them - when it's time to give them their proper T2-modified hull models. While I love the Hurricane hull, I do admit it needs.. something more as the great and venerable Sleipnir beyond just the Brutor-style solar wings.
AnJuan Jackson
Red Star Trading Corporation
#588 - 2013-11-05 01:32:53 UTC
Thank you!!!!

I asked for this about a year ago I believe, to make the Hurricane one of the commandship models.

My prayers were answered. I never doubted you CPP Gods.
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
#589 - 2013-11-07 22:30:57 UTC
Why does everything except this get 2nd updated iteration after receiving such negative player feedback? At least an "It's gonna stay suck it up" from official source would be nice... Just getting more and more disappointing...

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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#590 - 2013-11-08 12:54:45 UTC
Grarr Dexx wrote:
The Sleipnir shouldn't have its hull swapped around. Can't you make an exception and turn the Claymore into that instead? You've done it for Gallente with the navy battlecruisers, before.


Best idear ever.

The Sleipnir has been very used and very known in the 6 years iv played. I would fell a huge lose if this hull is changed to the hurricane.

Think about the Classic Alliance Tournament, where there was no doubt once the Sleipnir teams was used. The Cyclone hull for the Sleirpir has become an icon in EVE, please do not change this, change the Claymore if any.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#591 - 2013-11-08 15:00:23 UTC
I personally love the new ASB-cane, errr Sleipnir. It's just to amazing to fly it again, this time for real (with doubleneuts and invuln and 3 gyros and all that fancy stuff).

Undocking the new sleip for the first time was a shock, have to admit. Felt like riding pure heresy, but quickly got used to it and now I'm sadface about my TQ sleips :( Cannot wait.

The Eos though is a gorgeous piece of tritanium, that for sure.
Joanna RB
JoJo Industries n Shipbreakers
#592 - 2013-11-08 19:15:45 UTC
Westerly Winds wrote:
Literally un-subbing this account after this post. Why is the drake model EVEN IN THE GAME? I swear this art department...


I bet if you showed a picture or a 3D model of a drake to 100 non-eve players noone would guess it was supposed to be a spaceship...
Oraac Ensor
#593 - 2013-11-08 20:35:42 UTC
Joanna RB wrote:
Westerly Winds wrote:
Literally un-subbing this account after this post. Why is the drake model EVEN IN THE GAME? I swear this art department...


I bet if you showed a picture or a 3D model of a drake to 100 non-eve players noone would guess it was supposed to be a spaceship...

I'd take that bet.
Alkampfer 1
Chronos Committee.
#594 - 2013-11-10 11:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alkampfer 1
Do i really need to send some Vikings to Iceland to loot,rap€ and pilage CCP offices?!Twisted

If you dont have any new models for command ships then leave them alone,at least my Nighthawk.Leave the "lets switch one model for another and slap some pretty paint on and voila - new texture command ship" mode of work and make new models and then draw new textures for them.
Or if you are too lazy for that at least create a model combining parts of two ore more existing models together. Ugh
El Jin'meiko
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#595 - 2013-11-11 00:19:01 UTC
I rather like the way you say you don't have time to implement the changes while posting what I can only assume are the finished retextures (call it what they are). Does this mean that between this post and the release date you honestly can't take the meagre time it should take for a company such as CCP to actually complete?
Oraac Ensor
#596 - 2013-11-11 00:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
El Jin'meiko wrote:
I rather like the way you say you don't have time to implement the changes . . .

Where did he say that?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#597 - 2013-11-11 03:26:56 UTC
Viva la Waffle Iron!

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Madhero
Forsaken Forge
#598 - 2013-11-11 18:45:07 UTC

The plan is to change the visuals of the ships as follows (the names of the ships are not changing at all):
  • Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger
  • Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon
  • Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake
  • Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

    • This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible.

    This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion.

    Ugh For manufactors like my corp with BPO's to invent Command ships say the "cyclone" to make the Sleipnir or the Claymore will not now have to get the Hurricane BPO's to make furture Sleipnirs and Claymores? Which we have, but for others who don't have all BPO's will have to adjusts to the new base ship BPO to make any furture Command ships?
    Ragnar Alestorm
    Black Lagoon Co
    #599 - 2013-11-12 13:33:45 UTC
    seriously...

    the absolution as it is right now is one of the most beautiful ships in the whole game. and it looks like a brick. a brick of pure awesome. just like its tank -> changed to a golden turd

    the nighthawk always had something special about it...i feel like the ferox hull really goes well with the name -> changed to a dull pseudo drake

    the sleipnir........is the sleipnir. the hull itself doesnt look that good but somehow it became so iconic and badass, its not even funny. -> changed to a cane (which looks awesome, but still.......its just not the same.) with a VERY meh color scheme.

    and finally the eos....by far the best change. which is not that hard. see above. myrm hull is awesome. and underused. im cool with that.

    of course.....all of the above statements are purely subjective...BUT! we already got the same hulls (except the myrm of course.) reskinned as faction battlecruisers (which are stupid in general...i mean come on, why nerf ships and re-release the unnerfed variation as faction? ....sounds silly right?), so WHY do we need them AGAIN?

    gg wp ccp.
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #600 - 2013-11-12 13:51:15 UTC
    Ragnar Alestorm wrote:

    the sleipnir........is the sleipnir. the hull itself doesnt look that good but somehow it became so iconic and badass, its not even funny. -> changed to a cane (which looks awesome, but still.......its just not the same.) with a VERY meh color scheme.


    What I really don't understand about this complaint - which keeps coming up again and again, btw - is why nobody complains about the color scheme being bad or meh until it appears on a Hurricane hull. It's the same exact color scheme that the Cyclone-based Sleipnir has RIGHT NOW on TQ!