Player Features and Ideas Discussion

just wanted to highlight that....

Meanwhile let me excerpt from some of my posts not so long ago:

I give up on trying to change your convictions. Fortunately, since it's not a poll, I do not have to.

I hate when a comment get lost due to another topic so I'm DP'ing this.



Which brings up some thoughts I had earlier in this thread.

Since missiles aren't effected by tracking/falloff is the main reason why golem performs well with bastion and MJD.

The rest of them don't have this advantage.
The golem performs just as well at long range, as it does at close range.

While you're on the right track, I think there's a bit of imbalance in your proposal for the other 3.
Here's my thought.

Golem - stays as is with bastion MJD. Perhaps the range bonus can be removed from stacking penalty, as this will help torps, while having no real effect on cruise.

Paladin - stationary with MJD. Bastion gives tank bonus and tracking bonus. Range isn't a problem for paladin.

Kronos - retains same mobility as without bastion, bastion gives web bonus, drone EHP and tracking bonus, retains old drone b/w and gains some hold on hull, gets bonus to armor EHP and resists. Sig is increased as penalty.

Vargur - bastion removes cap penalty from MWD. Increases shield EHP and resists. Slight damage buff. Sig radius is increased.

This is a better suggestion for a balance that works with the way the ships are generally used, fits the races, and each has a drawback.

I think the only issue with this layout is that it is not a direction comparison to anything.

It should be compared to bastion paladin vs Live paladin.
Then do bastion vs nightmare/mach/bhal/vindi.

I think that's probably why you're not getting a lot of replies.

Yes all times are full room clear. I do not blitz missions nor do I use LP at all. I have stockpiles of LP that I haven't used. The problem I see with blitzing missions is the travel time (Especially with the Rubicon warp changes) and the extensive work that needs to go into converting LP into Isk. That is time no one ever factors into their little isk/h values when it's based on LP. If you can LP and can get better isk/h than what I'm getting all the more power to you. What isk/lp conversion do you get? I can plug those numbers into the spreadsheet to get a more accurate representation of isk/h.

And bastion is not a gizmo, at least it's a gizmo just as much as MWD is, or Tracking comps or MJD or almost any module. It is a TOOL to be used or NOT used as the situation calls for it It doesn't take anything away from the hull to fit it (unlike in fact MWD) the hull buffs/nerfs do not count because they would be there regardless if bastion was fitted or not.

The way I see it loot has at the very least their scrap mineral value, some have more. Same with salvage, they have an intrinsic value that cna be leasiles by simply selling them at a trade hub. LP however requires spreadsheets, market research, LP store research etc etc and all the effort in buy the tags, the items etc.

Also, the salvage happens WHILE I shoot things. For completion time with a pirate BS and noctis you have to factor in reship time and then you will start falling far behind (I might test some pirate BS/noctis shenanigans on sisi as well)

Unless you can give me solid numbers (Like I did) I can unfortunately not believe you when you say you will do better isk/h.

And I would love to see how you can just get blockade whenever you want to or even get it from two agents in the same sistem at the same time whenever you want to. I can accept blitzing the bad missions but that is still time lost. By making the most out of the good missions I am less effected by bad missions and dont have to turn down as many missions.

I still don't understand why CCP couldn't give marauders noctis tractor range?

I mean, you can keep their velocity lower, and noctis is dedicated to tractor/salvage.

So the noctis will still be significantly faster over, while Marauders would still be able to salvage on the go, expecially when you factor their increased intended range capabilities with bastion.

if you try to imply you cant transfer lp to isk your wrong...

buy items and sell em...

I didn't said gizmo for bastion I said it for salvage


in case you didn't notice ....

You don't translate to same as me

And some does not translate to everybody

what you do and can't do or is hard is your perspective,and it doesn't translate to everybody else,I can't comment on you salvage operations because that to is situational and mission specific ie gizmo....

If you want comparison do combat comparison in between marauders and or rest of high end ships in one thing that all do..shooting stuff.

If you did salvage while you shoot what exactly did you do in mission for over half and hour I don't know.

Yea theres definitely some translation problems here. You're using the wrong words for stuff. It's not gizmo, I think you meant gimmick though it isn't a gimmick for the marauder since that is usually the primary way it gets isk, through loot and salvage. not taking that into account would be like not taking LP into account for mission blitzers.

Understand this very clearly: Marauders are not, and never will be Pirate BS. They do not work the same, they do not run missions the same, they do not make isk the same way.

The only thing really is if they make roughly the same amount of isk per hour and with bastion + salvage + MJD they make more than I can currently on TQ.

Uhh, he's in a Marauder... Overtanking is what a marauder does now...


However, I have my own thoughts on why this isn't that good of a fit.


1) With bastion and how awesomely it does for reps, you can either pulse tank, or perma run a medium booster

2) You have way too much cap focus on that ship. Truthfully, you shouldn't even need one, unless it's a cap booster in a spare mid.

3) Vargur has natively high resists. You can get away with one invuln II.

4) The shield boost amp is almost useless with Bastion, so drop it.

5) Drop the Cap flux for your low. If you feel you need more tank, put a DCU II.

6) In the rigs, fit dps rigs, or some other type of rig.. No need for the cap.

7) Fit an MJD in one of your free mids. THIS will help counter close range orbitting targets.

8) If you're running short on cpu/pg due to MJD or whatever, you can fit it in your rigs.


I'm sure there are some more points i can mention, but i'm not sure what atm.